13 Year old addict.

[screenman]

The schools are there to educate, not baby sit. Social workers, not sure what they do but I am sure they must be doing their best.

 

[screenman]

Some folks just shouldn't become parents.
I see all too many disgusting examples and it's very upsetting.
Most recent example was earlier this week, a "young lady" with a wee girl aged around 3-4. Child either being totally ignored or shouted at, "stop it", "move", etc.

You would have said that about my wife and myself at 16 and 17 years old and a nipper on the way. I am sure everybody who knew me would certainly have agreed with you, however 42 years on with 3 great kids all well educated and established in life, and without help from either of our parents or social services.

Is more money the answer? maybe not because if he is buying it then money is there.

 

[screenman]

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so turn a blind eye, give it a rest, schools have a duty of care and that includes what happens outside of school, sometimes the only way social services can find out if there is a problem with a child is from the school...

They certainly do not turn a blind eye, they will refer on. However the schools do not have the time nor the resources to do much more than that. I would like to see a large increase in taxes to pay for better services to look after people like this, I am sure you would the same.

 

[Mrs M]

You would have said that about my wife and myself at 16 and 17 years old and a nipper on the way. I am sure everybody who knew me would certainly have agreed with you, however 42 years on with 3 great kids all well educated and established in life, and without help from either of our parents or social services.

Is more money the answer? maybe not because if he is buying it then money is there.

No, sorry, I didn't mean because she was young, she looked around mid twenties. She was speaking to the child like it was a nuisance and she just didn't care
I have a friend who, like yourself married when her and hubby were 16 and 17, also heard it all, won't work, etc.
They've also been married over 40 years, they struggled, worked hard and now comfortable with a happy family
Some people work hard and take responsibility, sadly others don't.

 

[screenman]

No, sorry, I didn't mean because she was young, she looked around mid twenties. She was speaking to the child like it was a nuisance and she just didn't care
I have a friend who, like yourself married when her and hubby were 16 and 17, also heard it all, won't work, etc.
They've also been married over 40 years, they struggled, worked hard and now comfortable with a happy family
Some people work hard and take responsibility, sadly others don't.

No need to apologise at all, I fully understand your point.

 

[screenman]

the problem isn't always money, one problem I believe is there are not enough people from a certain background who understand and can relate to such problems , having a degree in sociology or whatever is required is worthless if the first day on the job is the first time you've ever faced this or similar problems.

My son is a head of a large school, he was homeless like us when he was two months old and has experienced many things in life, he also has a degree. Stop thinking that a degree means you were fed with a silver spoon.

 

[marinyork]

You would have said that about my wife and myself at 16 and 17 years old and a nipper on the way. I am sure everybody who knew me would certainly have agreed with you, however 42 years on with 3 great kids all well educated and established in life, and without help from either of our parents or social services.

I think the point about backgrounds, diversity and experiences is a completely valid one to ask. For some subjects I think User is a little off the mark, some of the subjects at university such as social care we would be talking about there's a lot more diversity than others. For other things I think he's spot on.

We aren't talking addiction support but I was part of a conversation earlier this week that almost made the same point he did about backgrounds, diversity and life experience.

 

[screenman]

and your point is...your son will have no memory of your homeless anyway my point is that too many people believe a degree somehow will help them deal with those of society who need the most help, I've met too many people who's job is to help and have no idea how to interact or understand the needs or wants of these people,

Do you know I am not sure if I have met them people or not, I can think of a few so maybe I have.

My point is some people think a degree means you have little life experience. My eldest left school at 16 and run his own part of a business from when he was 18 until 23 when he decided on a life style change, I am sure there are thousands out there who have done much the same.

 

[screenman]

I'm sure there are but I'm not sure of the relevance, the only reason I mentioned a degree because most of the jobs that there to help the most needy of society, one is required....if you, they, whomever really want to tackle the major problems facing certain parts of our society then we need to start with people who comprehend whats it like,

Tell me where do we get them from, I am not disagreeing with you, it is just that so few people pull themselves up from the bottom.

 

[screenman]

You could be right there, as even I am not sure what I meant and I still cannot figure it out.

 

[midlife]

You could be right there, as even I am not sure what I meant and I still cannot figure it out.

I presumed you were talking about social mobility (or lack of it) in our society?

Shaun

 

[Cycleops]

Very easy for us to sit here and make glib judgements.Obviously started with his mental health issues which were exacerbated but the drug taking, but who let him get hold of the drugs?

No easy answers but needs a team of specialists i would think to help the poor boy.

 

[Drago]

This family don't want 'help'. They want someone to do it for them. Big difference.

 

[keithmac]

It's hard work bringing children up and I didn't have the best childhood, but that made me more determined as a father to bring my two up knowing right from wrong.

You have to invest a lot of time and effort into parenting, and 9 times out of 10 you will get a polite well rounded person out of the other end.

If you can't be bothered and leave them to their own devices they are bound to end up in trouble one way or another.

It's the parents responsibility to teach their children right from wrong, all this falls down when you get young adults who see children as a fast track to housing and benfits (maybe seeing their own parents past and emulating it?).

Having a child as a cash cow, then neglecting it's upbringing is where this all starts.

We worked bloody hard, made sure we had a home and the means to support our two before we even tried to start a family.

 

[marinyork]

This family don't want 'help'. They want someone to do it for them. Big difference.

If they had an income of £100k a year and were shelling out money for someone else to do it for them, would that be any different?