another nail in the coffin

[gb155]

Put up a picture of gb155 instead, much more inspirational than the cheats.

I didnt know you cared

but feel free LOL

 

[Dayvo]

I didnt know you cared

but feel free LOL

Bloody 'ell!

No helmet, dodgy shoes, black socks and about to run into a ped with pushchair on a zebra crossing!

 

[monnet]

Hinchcapie joins in? From the beeb

That'd be a real damning indictment if GH confirmed what Landis and Hamilton have said. The latter 2 have questionable character and motive, but big George is clean (well, publicly).






Note GH denies saying any such thing. Personally, I think it possible that someone at CBS has their wires crossed.

I don't think GH has actually outright denied it. He's said he didn't speak to 60 minutes. He said he's disappointed people are talking about the past in cycling not the future. He said he can't comment on an ongoing investigation. None of that is a denial. Of course it's not a confirmation either.

 

[gb155]

Bloody 'ell!

No helmet, dodgy shoes, black socks and about to run into a ped with pushchair on a zebra crossing!

Arghhhhh LOL, She was walking along the path , as opposed to over the crossing, the camera man hiding in a bush at an angle makes the picture tell another story tho

 

[Smokin Joe]

This is a great piece by Lionel Birnie which echoes my own feeling on Armstrong -

http://www.cyclesportmag.com/news-and-comment/lance-armstrong-the-endgame-begins/

 

[asterix]

we all allowed one man to dominate the sport, to its detriment. The Tour de France became the Tour de Lance. It was just a moderately amusing pun at first but soon it stood for more. No man is bigger than the sport, you say? Well, Armstrong came closest of all to being just that, certainly in the eyes of people who do not follow the season from Het Nieuwsblad to Lombardy.

..seems we still are

 

[mummra]

This is a great piece by Lionel Birnie which echoes my own feeling on Armstrong -

http://www.cyclespor...endgame-begins/

I read this last night. Not sure what to believe now. I want to believe that he did it all without PED's but as others have said, there is a lot of circumstantial evidence coming out now.

 

[Peter91]

If he drugged up so much, then why did none of the hundreds of drug tests come back positive?

 

[rich p]

If he drugged up so much, then why did none of the hundreds of drug tests come back positive?

Read around about masking, micro-dosing and manipulating blood levels. Then get back to us.

 

[Peter91]

But to have successfully done that and avoided detection 100's of times?

 

[fossyant]

But to have successfully done that and avoided detection 100's of times?

Quite - his doc must have been good.

 

[raindog]

If he drugged up so much, then why did none of the hundreds of drug tests come back positive?

You could say the same of so many people - try Marion Jones....
"......Jones routinely denied—in almost every way possible and in almost any venue where the question arose—ever being involved with performance enhancers in any way, shape, or form. One of Jones's frequent statements in her own defense was that she had never tested positive for performance enhancing substances......."

 

[gb155]

Quite - his doc must have been good.

The BEST you mean, something isnt quite right I agree, but c'mon

 

[Bicycle]

Carl Lewis, Marion Jones, Flo-Jo, Indurain, Bolt....

At that level of sport I'm not sure it matters.

I love to watch the TdF and to read about it.

My assumption is that riders have almost always been dirty and my guess is that they still generally are.

Sometimes, enthusiasts seem to have 'favoured'riders whom they once met or who is the friend of the wife of a friend... and those guys are CLEAN.

Enthusiasts also seem to have betes noires who are DIRTY and cannot be otherwise.

For me, it's just an awesome spectacle and an incredible race.

It would be so if all of them were proved to be dirty.

I fear a totally clean TdF would be slightly duller if only because we'd lack some of the spectacular, Pantani-style attacks on climbs....

I hear that LA is a dreadful man to be around and I simply don't care. So is my wife's Aunt Doreen. Some people are just ghastly and that's life.

I watch cycling to be entertained and amazed, not because I like to think the riders are lovely chaps.

If one rider or another is an arrogant, drug-pumping elephant's backside... let him be so as long as the racing is good.

I say live and let live.

 

[resal]

If he drugged up so much, then why did none of the hundreds of drug tests come back positive?

Now that is where I disagree that the Birnie piece is quality. It misses the point. What happened about the US postal money that went to Lance's team and then from there to the UCI? What was it - $500,000 in the official year end accounts filed for Lance's team for a payment which became an alleged 80,000 euros at the UCI? That is where the conspiracy theorists say the corruption is - the positives were kept quiet and Lance paid certain people at the top of the UCI to do so ! Now that is what needs to be verified - is that true or not ? Then with a root and branch reform at the top, the system can be cleansed.