New Garage/Shed - Concrete or wood ?

[screenman]

In the last year I have built a 'shed' measuring 16ft x 12ft. It is double skinned construction with expanded foam filler between the OSB inner and T&G external timber. £1100 in wood materials, nails/screws/bolts, plus half decent ironmongery for the door itself. I have also fitted electrics (not included in the price). It took around a week to build (excluding electrics).

I have the same behind my garage, built 8 years ago for about £800, done witha pitched felted roof.

 

[Levo-Lon]

Why not just get a propper made to measure shed..not a B&Q special.
4k for a base and a quality constructed shed would ideal.
Get it alarmed and have security door and Windows.
Just a thought..

 

[the snail]

The house is a 1930s semi in Birmingham, we've already had a single story rear extension and are juat about to have a loft conversion so im not sure what the planners would say / do if i wanted to build something more permanent.

Have a look on your council website under planning. Unless you're listed or in a conservation area, it's fairly straightforward as to what you can do as permitted development without planning permission.

 

[screenman]

Why not just get a propper made to measure shed..not a B&Q special.
4k for a base and a quality constructed shed would ideal.
Get it alarmed and have security door and Windows.
Just a thought..

Do you know anybody who would do the base.

 

[Noru]

You could also get a used 20ft x 8ft shipping container. They can come with a variety of door options ready done or find someone to convert a basic one.

They can also be clad if you don't like the industrial look, like this Sustrans one.... http://www.containersandmore.co.uk/...sustrans-added-and-portable-office-space.html

 

[Tanis8472]

This might be worth reading too.

Rules governing outbuildings apply to sheds, greenhouses and garages as well as other ancillary garden buildings such as swimming pools, ponds, sauna cabins, kennels, enclosures (including tennis courts) and many other kinds of structure for a purpose incidental to the enjoyment of the dwellinghouse.

Other rules relate to the installation of a satellite dish, the erection of a new dwelling or the erection or provision of fuel storage tanks.

Outbuildings are considered to be permitted development, not needing planning permission, subject to the following limits and conditions:

• No outbuilding on land forward of a wall forming the principal elevation.
• Outbuildings and garages to be single storey with maximum eaves height of 2.5 metres and maximum overall height of four metres with a dual pitched roof or three metres for any other roof.
• Maximum height of 2.5 metres in the case of a building, enclosure or container within two metres of a boundary of the curtilage of the dwellinghouse.
• No verandas, balconies or raised platforms.
• No more than half the area of land around the "original house"* would be covered by additions or other buildings.
• In National Parks, the Broads, Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty and World Heritage Sites the maximum area to be covered by buildings, enclosures, containers and pools more than 20 metres from house to be limited to 10 square metres.
• On designated land* buildings, enclosures, containers and pools at the side of properties will require planning permission.
• Within the curtilage of listed buildings any outbuilding will require planning permission.

*The term "original house" means the house as it was first built or as it stood on 1 July 1948 (if it was built before that date). Although you may not have built an extension to the house, a previous owner may have done so.

*Designated land includes national parks and the Broads, Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty, conservation areas and World Heritage Sites.

Please note: The permitted development allowances described here apply to houses and not to:

• Flats and maisonettes (view our guidance on flats and maisonettes)
• Converted houses or houses created through the permitted development rights to change use (as detailed in our change of use section)
• Other buildings
• Areas where there may be a planning condition, Article 4 Direction or other restriction that limits permitted development rights.

https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/common_projects/43/outbuildings

 

[jamin100]

wow - thanks for all the replies so far. Defiantly gives me something to think about.

 

[Levo-Lon]

Do you know anybody who would do the base.

the company may well have a base installer..or any local trusted landscaper paving company etc.

get 3 quotes..rough guide would be £30 £40 m2 for concrete so a 20m2 base should be 6-800 quid depending on the excavation..location may take it higher?

 

[fossyant]

Actually a shipping container is a great idea. If you are prepared to work on the 'outside' and inside appearance, this will be seriously secure. Just have a look on Grand Designs for the shipping container homes !!

Loads of ideas, but if the bikes are out of the house then the shed/garage needs to be difficult to get in. We've currently got a group of 'low lives' going round trying sheds, doors, cars in the early hours trying to get in. If you have some good bikes get them bolted down.

The down side with a shed/summer house, is you usually have lots of glass, so you can use it as a light 'space'. My garage has a side door and window, but both have been heavily barred since we bought the house new over 20 years ago. I think the garage was only used for a 'car' for a few years before my bikes were relegated to the garage (pesky kids arrived). The door is screwed shut. The car's went outside !

We've had two lots of scum try to get in, both failed so far. One even slowly removed the glass from the side window, but it was barred with roofing straps (big steel bars with holes in - bloody nightmare to cut but cheap from B&Q). They may have thought the bars weren't secured, they were, at multiple points, and the screw heads ground off !!! And I live in a quiet area !

 

[Levo-Lon]

Actually a shipping container is a great idea. If you are prepared to work on the 'outside' and inside appearance, this will be seriously secure. Just have a look on Grand Designs for the shipping container homes !!

Loads of ideas, but if the bikes are out of the house then the shed/garage needs to be difficult to get in. We've currently got a group of 'low lives' going round trying sheds, doors, cars in the early hours trying to get in. If you have some good bikes get them bolted down.

The down side with a shed/summer house, is you usually have lots of glass, so you can use it as a light 'space'. My garage has a side door and window, but both have been heavily barred since we bought the house new over 20 years ago. I think the garage was only used for a 'car' for a few years before my bikes were relegated to the garage (pesky kids arrived). The door is screwed shut. The car's went outside !

We've had two lots of scum try to get in, both failed so far. One even slowly removed the glass from the side window, but it was barred with roofing straps (big steel bars with holes in - bloody nightmare to cut but cheap from B&Q). They may have thought the bars weren't secured, they were, at multiple points, and the screw heads ground off !!! And I live in a quiet area !

crane hire to get it to the bottom of the garden. Over the house..
it would require a road closure as the crane needed for the reach would be very large and maybe services interupted if cables are in the way..
theres a few k before you start, plus the chance it would not get to the property?

 

[PaulSB]

Lots of comment about construction, security etc. all of which is relevant. No mention so far about the "feel" of the building. If it's just for storage, effectively a garage, this isn't very important. However you are talking about a man room as well. If it was me I'd want a wooden construction, attractive both internally and externally to make it feel like somewhere I want to be.

I built my breeze block double garage with a friend. It's excellent and does what garages do. Would I feel enthusiastic about using it as a man room? No, not without lots of work in the aesthetics.

 

[Levo-Lon]

Man cave aesthetics are irrelevant if the wife nags you when indoors @PaulSB

 

[jamin100]

Right, it's been ordered and paid for

We're getting a 5meter wide log cabin which gives us a shed room and a normal room.

Going to use the normal room with the turbo and TV

Can't wait

 

[Dayvo]

Right, it's been ordered and paid for

We're getting a 5meter wide log cabin which gives us a shed room and a normal room.

Going to use the normal room with the turbo and TV

Can't wait

Very nice. I could live in that!

 

[jamin100]

It's being installed at the start of October, I'll ipdate this thread when it's all done