Tour de France *Spoilers*

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HF2300

Insanity Prawn Boy
Yep, just saw that. I liked the comments after the Vinokourov interview too.

Yes, healthy cynicism!
 
OP
OP
Pro Tour Punditry
Says a lot about what we were not told in the mainstream British press back on 2001 to me. Fascinating. I will buy his book.

Bassons made very good points re the lack of current research/data available being part of the reason for discussing the "old days" as if it was in the past and not current.
 

400bhp

Guru
Bassons made very good points re the lack of current research/data available being part of the reason for discussing the "old days" as if it was in the past and not current.

Reiterated in an indirect way by Laurens Ten Dam in an interview yesterday, i.e. all his rides and data go on Strava. Crude nonetheless but heading in the right direction.
 

KennaughKickIt

Active Member
Bassons interview. What a sad sad story. Says a lot about cycling but says more about the human psyche:sad:

I'm quite stunned the peloton acted so tyrannously toward him. Excluding LA I'd actually felt a little sorry for some of these guys (like Hamilton) but on review I don't think I can continue to excuse them. Sure, they must have been under a lot of pressure from within the team, but the intimidating culture that they assumed and asserted upon others was appalling.
 

coffeejo

Ælfrēd
Location
West Somerset
Personally, I'd rather see a "mediocre scrap" than the Sky train crushing the race on the last ascent of every mountain stage.
Any sport gets monotonous when it's the same old, same old. Personally, I hope that next year's Tour is all about jersey swapping with the maillot jaune decided on the Champs-Élysées and at least one team pulling their finger out and coming up with a strategy to stop Sagan taking all the green jersey points en route.
 

HF2300

Insanity Prawn Boy
I'm quite stunned the peloton acted so tyrannously toward him. Excluding LA I'd actually felt a little sorry for some of these guys (like Hamilton) but on review I don't think I can continue to excuse them. Sure, they must have been under a lot of pressure from within the team, but the intimidating culture that they assumed and asserted upon others was appalling.

I'm not. Sadly, it's been documented over and over again how easily large groups can be swayed like this. I prefer to be an optimist and believe the best of people, but it means I'm disappointed a lot of the time.

I don't want to re-open old debates but the repeated failure of governing bodies and those who arguably had a duty of care over guys like Bassons is even more shocking, and while things have changed, I can't help feeling that a lot of that culture still lurks in dark corners. That's one reason why - calmly and rationally - the 'is he doping' discussion about current riders is important, to keep the pressure on for a better culture.
 

perplexed

Guru
Location
Sheffield
And of course we want the breakaway to win whereas Bauer wants Bauer to win and Elmiger wants Elmiger to win.

I'm not a golf watcher, but happened to see a bit yesterday where Alliss commented 'People say why didn't you do this or that. That's not how sport works. You do what you do, and what happens happens'. Not sure that's entirely true but you see his point.

I'm not quite sure why Alliss is referring to golf, when everyone else is talking about sport...
 
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Ganymede

Veteran
Location
Rural Kent
Was it Imlach who said that Vino was mumbling in French? Does Imlach speak French? I did not think it was mumbled at all. Let's hear Imlach say the same in French.
I think he may have been referring to the rather roundabout avoiding language Vino was using - his last comment was pretty mumbled and was one that Imlach wasn't impressed by.

Vino's French is pretty good - a bit idiosyncratic and obviously with a foreign accent.
 
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