Warrington collision

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Levo-Lon

Guru
What do you want us to think?
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
I think I hope the cyclist recovers.

That looks like a bad old wide-laned A road. There appears easily enough width for protected space for cycling, to take people between Stretton and Warrington, but there's poor advisory cycle lanes on a short stretch and nothing on the rest of it. Maybe the local authorities there think cyclists should wiggle through the parallel back streets but they do nothing to make that easier or faster either?
 

Siclo

Veteran
I think I hope the cyclist recovers.

There appears easily enough width for protected space for cycling, to take people between Stretton and Warrington,

But where on earth do you expect people to park? In their driveways? https://goo.gl/maps/voVkWw2Uekv

They get so close to getting it right on occasion but then stuff it up by putting barriers up https://goo.gl/maps/curyzMf7qN32 - they are not quite so shiny anymore, no reflectives on them and they came as a bit of a surprise on a dark wet night.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
But where on earth do you expect people to park? In their driveways? https://goo.gl/maps/voVkWw2Uekv
Yes, I've seen stuff not built or have awkward compromise reroutings because politicians bow to the objections of selfish motorists who won't park on their own driveways. Much better to kill the grass verge than dirty one's drive, only keep as many cars as you can store or clear some space in one's garage.

They get so close to getting it right on occasion but then stuff it up by putting barriers up https://goo.gl/maps/curyzMf7qN32 - they are not quite so shiny anymore, no reflectives on them and they came as a bit of a surprise on a dark wet night.
WTAF? Those are among the most pointless barriers I've ever seen, as you can tell from the tracks worn into the grass either side. The nearby junction layout's wrong too, so I'm not sure they're even "so close to getting it right". Cycling like it's 1979 :sad:

Although I've seen slightly worse: North Somerset Council erected matt black slalom barriers across a cycle track cut-through, justified as necessary to stop riders rolling downhill out of the new-build restricted-visibility(!) junctions onto bigger roads - I asked why they prefer cycles to crash out onto the roads and didn't just paint give-way markings on the cycle track arm. They did add some reflective panels but I think the black barriers are still there to crash the unwary :sad:

The more and more of this junk I see and read about, the more convinced I am that we need mandatory minimum standards for cycling infrastructure and the right for cycling organisations to erect shameful "your council has wasted money" warning signs on the substandard junk.
 

Pete Owens

Well-Known Member
But where on earth do you expect people to park? In their driveways? https://goo.gl/maps/voVkWw2Uekv

They get so close to getting it right on occasion but then stuff it up by putting barriers up https://goo.gl/maps/curyzMf7qN32 - they are not quite so shiny anymore, no reflectives on them and they came as a bit of a surprise on a dark wet night.

That is my commute and makes the Leeds-Bradford effort look like a marvel by comparison. Just uploaded some pictures onto the cycle streets photomap - where on earth do you think they came close to getting it right?
https://www.cyclestreets.net/search/?search=midmerseycyclepath
And Warrington motorists complain we don't ride on the £550,000 farcility.

And actually the barriers are not the worst part. Yes, they are difficult to see in the darrk, but the blind driveway crossings are really dangerous and less obvious hazards:
https://www.cyclestreets.net/location/83746/
 

Karlt

Well-Known Member
Yes, I've seen stuff not built or have awkward compromise reroutings because politicians bow to the objections of selfish motorists who won't park on their own driveways. Much better to kill the grass verge than dirty one's drive, only keep as many cars as you can store or clear some space in one's garage.

I think a lot of this could be resolved by two simple measures:

1. Claiming damages from motorists whose cars repeatedly park on a particular verge for re-flattening and returfing it;
2. Contacting the insurers of regularly on verge parked cars (and on road where the owners have drives) to ensure the insurers know the car is not parked on a driveway and to adjust premiums (or invalidate insurance) accordingly in the event that the policyholder has misinformed them.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
I think a lot of this could be resolved by two simple measures:

1. Claiming damages from motorists whose cars repeatedly park on a particular verge for re-flattening and returfing it;
2. Contacting the insurers of regularly on verge parked cars (and on road where the owners have drives) to ensure the insurers know the car is not parked on a driveway and to adjust premiums (or invalidate insurance) accordingly in the event that the policyholder has misinformed them.
1 is mainly for the highways authorities, but I like the idea of 2. I'll take that to a few other forums and see if anyone spots a problem with it. Is there a legit way to find the insurer without paying the £4 admin fee to www.askMID.com (or making a false statement to the Roadside service)?
 
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