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#12
Posted 23 July 2008 - 12:23:16
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#13
Posted 23 July 2008 - 12:29:29
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Myth: “I’m allowed to knock you off if you’re not in a cycle lane”
Rebuttal: Huge dent in vehicle belonging to driver that just tried to put that one into practice.
Myth: “You don’t pay any road tax so I’m not giving you any respect.”
Rebuttal: See above
Myth: If you purposely cut up a cyclist in London, just call them a w***er and drive off quickly – they’ll never catch you up.
Rebuttal: At next set of lights - See above
Rebuttal: Huge dent in vehicle belonging to driver that just tried to put that one into practice.
Myth: “You don’t pay any road tax so I’m not giving you any respect.”
Rebuttal: See above
Myth: If you purposely cut up a cyclist in London, just call them a w***er and drive off quickly – they’ll never catch you up.
Rebuttal: At next set of lights - See above
#14
Posted 23 July 2008 - 12:36:40
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Myth: "You don't pay road tax so..."
Rebuttal: It doesn't matter what follows the above statemet. No, we don't pay road tax, but neither does a motorist. 'Road tax' has been 'VED' since 1936, and is completely unlinked to spending on road maintenance and road building. We have every bit as much right to be on the road as motorists, there is no taxation or payment argument.
Or, if you like, point out that we pay the same amount of road tax as any other bottom band vehicle with zero carbon emission; i.e. none.
But of course, if we were to pay zero tax but have to go through the rigmarole of having a free valid tax discs on display and all of the incomprehensibly expensive admin spent on this, estimated to be in the region of £50 per disc, then each and every tax paying motorist would see a rise in how much they would pay.
Rebuttal: It doesn't matter what follows the above statemet. No, we don't pay road tax, but neither does a motorist. 'Road tax' has been 'VED' since 1936, and is completely unlinked to spending on road maintenance and road building. We have every bit as much right to be on the road as motorists, there is no taxation or payment argument.
Or, if you like, point out that we pay the same amount of road tax as any other bottom band vehicle with zero carbon emission; i.e. none.
But of course, if we were to pay zero tax but have to go through the rigmarole of having a free valid tax discs on display and all of the incomprehensibly expensive admin spent on this, estimated to be in the region of £50 per disc, then each and every tax paying motorist would see a rise in how much they would pay.
#15
Posted 23 July 2008 - 12:42:18
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Blow them a kiss.
Blow them a kiss.
#16
Posted 23 July 2008 - 12:51:12
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Minor correction:
More, actually: cyclists - along with pedestrians, horse riders, etc - are allowed to use the roads by right. Motorists use them by license.
(Or am I perpetuating another misconception here?)
Cab said:
...We have every bit as much right to be on the road as motorists...
More, actually: cyclists - along with pedestrians, horse riders, etc - are allowed to use the roads by right. Motorists use them by license.
(Or am I perpetuating another misconception here?)
#17
Posted 23 July 2008 - 12:53:13
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Carwash said:
Minor correction:
More, actually: cyclists - along with pedestrians, horse riders, etc - are allowed to use the roads by right. Motorists use them by license.
(Or am I perpetuating another misconception here?)
More, actually: cyclists - along with pedestrians, horse riders, etc - are allowed to use the roads by right. Motorists use them by license.
(Or am I perpetuating another misconception here?)
No, you're not, but you're at risk of opening a huge can of worms.
#18
Posted 23 July 2008 - 13:05:26
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Carwash said:
Minor correction:
More, actually: cyclists - along with pedestrians, horse riders, etc - are allowed to use the roads by right. Motorists use them by license.
(Or am I perpetuating another misconception here?)
More, actually: cyclists - along with pedestrians, horse riders, etc - are allowed to use the roads by right. Motorists use them by license.
(Or am I perpetuating another misconception here?)
You're right, but I didn't want to start coming over 'holier than thou'. I'm not aiming to tell motorists to get off the road because we've got more right to be there than them, I'm aiming to state why the claim that we've got less right to be there is incorrect.
#19
Posted 23 July 2008 - 13:18:00
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Mister Paul said:
No, you're not, but you're at risk of opening a huge can of worms.
One which I did not meant to open! I had no idea it was such a touchy subject, nor any intention of hijacking this thread with what I considered to be a mere statement of fact. Apologies.
#20
Posted 23 July 2008 - 13:23:25
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Mister Paul said:
No, you're not, but you're at risk of opening a huge can of worms.
Rebuttal: Worms don't come in cans.