£7.2bn on the dockside

Peace through superior firepower. That is the simple reality of international relations.
I think you're talking about an arms race. Every powerful nation spending more and more to have superior weapons. That sort of diplomacy is unsustainable unless you're North Korea and the daily lives of your people come second.
 

Lilliburlero

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Joey Shabadoo

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Spending our cash on it was to satisfy political rather than military objectives
Really? Because the RN now has a very well balanced, capable (but small) fleet. It also now has the carriers needed to replace the ones in the North Atlantic the Americans are switching to the Pacific. It's almost as if the whole thing was ... planned.
 

nickyboy

Norven Mankey
Really? Because the RN now has a very well balanced, capable (but small) fleet. It also now has the carriers needed to replace the ones in the North Atlantic the Americans are switching to the Pacific. It's almost as if the whole thing was ... planned.
The UK government only spends as much of our money on military as it does because maintaining the expenditure allows them a seat at the top table of world politics. France does the same.
 
Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. £7.2B is unfortunately the insurance premium for our way of life. 2 months ago we had to scramble 6 jets to stop a Russian bomber entering Scottish airspace.

As long as there are mad men, men of vanity and men of warped ideology or wayward religion, the insurance has to be renewed.

You can't sit on an empty can and negotiate terms and hope heaven chip in. Unfortunately power comes from the barrel of a gun.
 
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Drago

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The UK government only spends as much of our money on military as it does because maintaining the expenditure allows them a seat at the top table of world politics. France does the same.
There is probably more than a grain of truth in that.

Nevertheless, that doesn't alter the globally strategic importance of the location of our home islands, or undermine the historic lessons about our commerical, strategic and military vulnerability if we are denied transit in our home waters.

To be fair to France, they spend a third less on their military and its a third larger, so they do a better job with the resources they do have avalable. The only area in which we now ace them is seaborne power projection - they only have one carrier, and while its capable its not much better than the Admiral Kusnetsov for reliability, and you need two to be able to have a fighting chance that one will likely be available at any given moment.
 

the snail

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Indeed, we learned in WWII that maritime access is make or break for a small island nation, and it would be foolish to forget that lesson.

On a happier note, it seems fortuitous that neither vessel was named HMS Duke of York. :laugh:
We also learnt a hard lesson about how quickly these things can become obsolete when the previous Prince of Wales went to the bottom of the China Sea.
 
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