Boycotting Chinese bike products

Ummm isn't almost everything made in China?
But maybe you meant SOME of everything is made in China? Well maybe, but so what?
Maybe you meant every part of a bike? Well, surprisingly Japan, UK, US and Germany can make you pretty much all of a bike from affordable components.
 

captain nemo1701

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I have noted online there are tons of Chinese sites advertising their products by blatantly nicking photos of similar from other websites & passing them off as theirs. Its rife.
 
Do you think?

Or is it because it's so little reported in the first place, and people aren't aware of what's happening.
Yes, I really do believe it is true. It has been widely reported, but it just does not grab many people's attention.

There are two elements to this, the first being China are far away and not like "us", unlike the US, and the second being that that they are a communist/socialist nation, and they could not possibly be guilty of something as evil as this, could they?

Good or Evil transcends political philosophy.
 
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mudsticks

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Yes, I really do believe it is true. It has been widely reported, but it just does not grab many people's attention.

There are two elements to this, the first being China are far away and not like "us", unlike the US, and the second being that that they are a communist/socialist nation, and they could not possibly be guilty of something as evil as this, could they?

Good or Evil transcends political philosophy.
I dont know about that -

I can't imagine that anyone is so naive as to believe that evil can't be perpetrated under any regime.

Its not that China hasn't had a widely reported controlling grip on its citizens for a long time, I don't think anyone believes it's a socialist utopia..

I wonder if it's partly because the victims in this instance are Muslim .

Combined of course with the fact that we have outsourced a vast proportion of our manufacturing to them, so we have got ourselves very dependant on their cheap labour, and less than wholesome working conditions..

We need to keep making a noise about this.
but I'm not sure us boycotting 'Chinese' goods as individuals, really does much good, in and of itself, seeing as the market and output is so huge.

But sharing reliable reporting that does emerge, bringing it up with our own politicians, and supporting organisations such as Amnesty feels like a more Pro active measure.

Fwiw I think boycotting individual companies. and bothering to tell them why can have an effect.

I understand that can have a bit more influence in terms of shifting corporate behaviour.

So some leverage might be gained that way.

The fact that all this is happening , seems undeniable in the face of reports emerging.

Surely our humanity requires that we use what tiny influence we do have.
 
I dont know about that -
I can't imagine that anyone is so naive as to believe that evil can't be perpetrated under any regime.
Its not that China hasn't had a widely reported controlling grip on its citizens for a long time, I don't think anyone believes it's a socialist utopia..
I wonder if it's partly because the victims in this instance are Muslim .

Combined of course with the fact that we have outsourced a vast proportion of our manufacturing to them, so we have got ourselves very dependant on their cheap labour, and less than wholesome working conditions..

We need to keep making a noise about this.
but I'm not sure us boycotting 'Chinese' goods as individuals, really does much good, in and of itself, seeing as the market and output is so huge.

But sharing reliable reporting that does emerge, bringing it up with our own politicians, and supporting organisations such as Amnesty feels like a more Pro active measure.

Fwiw I think boycotting individual companies. and bothering to tell them why can have an effect.

I understand that can have a bit more influence in terms of shifting corporate behaviour.

So some leverage might be gained that way.

The fact that all this is happening , seems undeniable in the face of reports emerging.

Surely our humanity requires that we use what tiny influence we do have.
That is what I meant by not like “us”. Of course if it was white, Christian people who were being mistreated so badly there would be uproar in the West, but these are darker skinned Muslims, just like the Rohingyas in Myanmar so it is easier to just tut-tut and not get too involved. There is also the issue of us being a little bit afraid of the power of China, and needing them for trade and investment, plus an element of not wanting to criticise them too much in case that comes over as condescending and racist.

By “us” I mean the politicians and the people of this country, including those of us whose politics are more to the left.
 
There are two elements to this, the first being China are far away and not like "us", unlike the US, and the second being that that they are a communist/socialist nation, and they could not possibly be guilty of something as evil as this, could they?
I think the first is probably the dominant view; it's a strange (to us)society, a long way away, that doesn't have many direct interactions with us. I don't think Brits have a racist view about chinese behaviour - it's more indifference, with a portion of distrust of the other.
 
I dont know about that -

I can't imagine that anyone is so naive as to believe that evil can't be perpetrated under any regime.
That's correct, as showed by the event leading to the second world war, but we must nog forget, the second world war wa one of many wars before that, and if one thing we could learn from them is that one war never start the ame as the other, but un-equal treatment of any group by any cause often is the culprit.
Its not that China hasn't had a widely reported controlling grip on its citizens for a long time, I don't think anyone believes it's a socialist utopia..
It's not that the grip you mentioned is'nt known, it's more that is not that easy to stop. It a bit like the whole start of this topic, yes there are quite a lot indications that China is to blame for the root cause of the coronavirus, yes we will probably never find out because they are not cooperating. But that does'nt mean we should'nt try.
Also try to place yourself in the position of someone born in China, with all media telling the utopist socialist story, not one time but all your life, so simply not believing it is not so easy because there is no alternative
I wonder if it's partly because the victims in this instance are Muslim .
You would say all those muslim countries would say ''hey China stop killing our fellow muslims or you can put those toys we ordered up in your behind..'' But they don't, and the EU made a new trade deal with them just before the end of last year, so much for sanctions..
But only because there muslims? i don't agree because anyone following china a bit longer knows it are many different groups, i remeber the seemingly random sword attacks in China's public transport around ''07-09'' i think? they weren't so random that was just a other minority just like the ulger Muslims who decided it was enough.. just like any repressive regime you can be of any religion as long as you don't become to powerfull or are to much in the way of authorities
Combined of course with the fact that we have outsourced a vast proportion of our manufacturing to them, so we have got ourselves very dependant on their cheap labour, and less than wholesome working conditions..

We need to keep making a noise about this.
but I'm not sure us boycotting 'Chinese' goods as individuals, really does much good, in and of itself, seeing as the market and output is so huge.
That could work, except for the fact that for example ''made in Brittian'' could still mean Chinese steel and even if it was British steel, from which country is the company that owes the steel plant?
It's really to late for consumer type boycotting actions, the world has allowed China to buy influence and now they see would potential problems it could cause, it's just like an bamboo plant growing out of proportions onces it's to late there is no easy soluttion left.

But sharing reliable reporting that does emerge, bringing it up with our own politicians, and supporting organisations such as Amnesty feels like a more Pro active measure.

Fwiw I think boycotting individual companies. and bothering to tell them why can have an effect.

I understand that can have a bit more influence in terms of shifting corporate behaviour.

So some leverage might be gained that way.

The fact that all this is happening , seems undeniable in the face of reports emerging.

Surely our humanity requires that we use what tiny influence we do have.
I really hope something like you say here would have any effect, but i think it's too late and organisation like amnesty haven proven in the past and present that there not that reliable at all. So i don't hold my breathe and mind you, even Apple you known one of the most profitable and biggest companies in the world could'nt move it;s production to the us.(they did research it) the closest thing they could be doing in moving to India, not exactly an heaven for human rights either.
That is what I meant by not like “us”. Of course if it was white, Christian people who were being mistreated so badly there would be uproar in the West, but these are darker skinned Muslims, just like the Rohingyas in Myanmar so it is easier to just tut-tut and not get too involved. There is also the issue of us being a little bit afraid of the power of China, and needing them for trade and investment, plus an element of not wanting to criticise them too much in case that comes over as condescending and racist.

By “us” I mean the politicians and the people of this country, including those of us whose politics are more to the left.
Let's see Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan alle countries where the ''West'' got involved, i'm no expert but i don't beleive it has gotten much better from our ''help'' And that's logic because the ''west'' is not (yet) Muslim so we don't understand the culture and then come in to tell them ''this is how you do democracy etc.'' That does'nt work, yet somehow if muslims are mistreated anywhere in the wordl the west has his help complex, and then you mentioned Christians, well let me bring you a news flash there are a ton of Muslims countries where Christian people are being mistreated, can you show me the uproar please? oh wait there is'nt

It not so much being afraid of China it's just not an classical case of throwing up trade barriers etc. because they simply won't work. I really don't know what would work because we are too late.
 
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It not so much being afraid of China it's just not an classical case of throwing up trade barriers etc. because they simply won't work. I really don't know what would work because we are too late.
Thanks for a really interesting post. But I can't agree with this defeatist conclusion: there are many small things that can help, just as with many big problems; e.g. choosing to walk tonight to somewhere I can drive, makes a small impact on global warming. Almost unmeasurably small, but worth doing IMO.

Remember, the mongol and roman empires didn't last forever :P
 
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