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Urban myth. ;)
Twas on TV so if has to be true :laugh:
 

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Probably applies to EU manufactured bikes too... my brother in the USA has just bought a brand new Moto Guzzi Stelvio, lovely looking sports tourer for his favourite pastime of long camping trips. On the first trip it dumped all its engine oil in the road; the dealer stripped the engine and found that the gasket between crank case and gearbox hadn't been fitted. On the second trip the electrics blew. The dealer found that some cheap Chinese running lights had melted down and fused the lot. My brother - an automotive engineer - stripped the bike and found dozens more shoddy electrical connections, all of which he re-made or improved. Poor guy is beginning to regret selling his Honda.
I nearly bought the Stelvio around 8 yrs ago, but my head ruled my heart and i bought a Yam Super Tenere 1200. Glad i did as i have mates who have owned Guzzis and had a lot of probs with them.
KTM are another mc manufacturer with a lot of reliability issues, KTM is known as standing for Keep Taking Money.
 
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KTM are another mc manufacturer with a lot of reliability issues, KTM is known as standing for Keep Taking Money.
I always wondered what the real reason that KTM pulled out of the McGregor round the world thing, it passed my mind that they were confident they wouldn't make it.
 

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I always wondered what the real reason that KTM pulled out of the McGregor round the world thing, it passed my mind that they were confident they wouldn't make it.
Of course they were, there's no way it would have made it without many serious issues. Although their Beemers had plenty of issues as well, but when you've got a support crew it doesn't really matter.
 

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The same happened back in the late 60's early 70's with the British motorcycle industry. BSA, Norton and Triumph to name a few failed to modernise their machines with the influx of 12 volt lighting and electric starting that the Japanese had on the bikes they were producing as standard.
I worked for a company that had the Truimph distributorship for the former British colonies in West Africa. When Honda, Suzuki etc arrived to take our sales our MD went to Meridan to try to convince Triumph to fit indicators and self starters and to redesign the engines so that they didn’t leak oil everywhere.

He was politely shown the door with the words that Triumph customers didn’t want gimmicks as they were serious motorcyclists. We negotiated an agreement with Kawasaki as quick as we could!

Later, I managed the BMC distributorship in Cameroon. What a bed of nails that was. The outcome was ditching them for Subaru.

This sort of thing was normal for British industry. Managements were useless public schoolboys who knew nothing about engineering or production and rarely visited a shop floor. People talk about the power of the unions in those says and I argue that they were just filling a leadership vacuum left by feeble management.
 
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This sort of thing was normal for British industry. Managements were useless public schoolboys who knew nothing about engineering or production and rarely visited a shop floor. People talk about the power of the unions in those says and I argue that they were just filling a leadership vacuum left by feeble management.
Sounds very much like British Politics currently I wonder as our industrial prowess failed the PSB's had to find another cushy number to go into.
 

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The British disease of "Short Terminism" From industry to government. Japanese manufacturers will invest in plant and machinery for the long term.
In this country investors demand a return ASAP and therefore are slow to respond.

When I was a lowly apprentice in the early 1970s a friend bought a brand new Honda 250. All the blokes on the shop floor came to look at it. Who wants electric start and indicators? was the general tone of the conversation, it turned out everyone. After taking the market for motor bikes the Japanese turned their attention to cars. Radios, three speed heater fans, heated rear screens, three year warranties, BL didn't know what hit them.
 

srw

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There is no such thing* as the British motor industry. It's all owned by international groups. Jaguar Land Rover is Indian. Perhaps it might be a good idea not to break off ties with our largest international markets just yet?

*Other than a few tiny niche players like Aston Martin.
 

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There is no such thing* as the British motor industry. It's all owned by international groups. Jaguar Land Rover is Indian. Perhaps it might be a good idea not to break off ties with our largest international markets just yet?

*Other than a few tiny niche players like Aston Martin.
Aston Martin are a public company now, so owned by lots of different nationality, incidentally their share price has halved since going public 6 months ago.
 
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