Cable locks for front wheel

[Funtboy]

Hi all, I'm about to fork out for some locks for my new bike. I'm pretty much settled on a Kryptonite New York 3000 as a D lock but was wondering if any of you had a recommendation for a cable lock for the front wheel.
May be this one?

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=9630

I'm also thinking of replacing the quick release mechanisms on my wheels. Are Pinhead the only people make those components?

Cheers...

 

[mootaineer]

Hi all, I'm about to fork out for some locks for my new bike. I'm pretty much settled on a Kryptonite New York 3000 as a D lock but was wondering if any of you had a recommendation for a cable lock for the front wheel.
May be this one?

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=9630

I'm also thinking of replacing the quick release mechanisms on my wheels. Are Pinhead the only people make those components?

Cheers...

Pitlock also make them (and I may be wrong but I think they may have got there before Pinhead) http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=11712&src=froogle
They also used to make seat bolts and stem bolts but not sure how easy they are to find.

As for locks, if you're using a cable lock anyway here's what the late Sheldon Brown said about them...recommending the NY Mini because it was difficult to get tools inside the "U" to force it open:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html

 

[Funtboy]

Pitlock also make them (and I may be wrong but I think they may have got there before Pinhead) http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=11712&src=froogle
They also used to make seat bolts and stem bolts but not sure how easy they are to find.

As for locks, if you're using a cable lock anyway here's what the late Sheldon Brown said about them...recommending the NY Mini because it was difficult to get tools inside the "U" to force it open:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html

That method un-nerves me but I can see the logic. Do you use it?

 

[Funtboy]

Get one of these-


http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/...1_productId_231103_langId_-1_categoryId_31389

It comes with the cable extender, and is a smaller D-lock. Which is harder to crack.

How do you d-lock your bike? Just round the back wheel rims, as in the Sheldon article?

 

[fossyant]

I go through the rear triangle near the hub, so have wheel and frame and sheffield stand filling the D-Lock...then a 10lb chain lock as well though....

 

[mootaineer]

That method un-nerves me but I can see the logic. Do you use it?

Well...I've been toying with the idea of moving towards the Kryptonite Mini and a cable.
At the moment I ride around with an ABUS City Chain X-Plus which is great (but rather heavy).

 

[Funtboy]

I go through the rear triangle near the hub, so have wheel and frame and sheffield stand filling the D-Lock...then a 10lb chain lock as well though....

I'm looking for a more portable solution really as regards the chain. 10lbs is heeeeaaavy. I guess in your case it's permanently locked to the sheffield.

 

[ufkacbln]

You can place a "U" lock around the rim / tyre within the rear triangle quite safely. It is difficult to cut through a rim, tyre and tube.

My system is a Abus Granit X54 with the Krypotonite cable seen abone, but with a separate disc lock which is then locked to the front carrier as well as the cable. Wheels are allPitlocked.

Idea is that you have to have a jack for the "U" lock, and cutters for the cable. Even if you cut the cable, the ends are still secured to the bike bythe lock.

The more tools you need the less likely an opportunist will make off withyour bike.

 

[Funtboy]

Okay I'm getting the picture. Thanks all.

 

[Nick1979]

You can place a "U" lock around the rim / tyre within the rear triangle quite safely. It is difficult to cut through a rim, tyre and tube.

I don't really understand this method: if someone cut the wheel, they can get away with the frame without having to break the U lock? Or am I missing something?

 

[GrahamG]

Cables are just too easy to cut - pitlocks are fantastic, just need to add a 14mm spanner to the too kit. Try www.hubjub.co.uk, they'll order in any combination of bits you need.

 

[Nick1979]

Cutting through a wheel is very difficult. You've got to get through the rim, tyre and tube. Difficult using just one tool. Then you've got the pressure the spokes are applying to the rim, which will force the cut together and make it more difficult.

Additionally, on a bike worth making this much effort to steal, the wheels will be worth a fair bit of money. Destroying one isn't going to help the thief, especially if he just wants to sell it straight on to pay for his next fix.

So isn't it best to put the U around both the rims and the chain stay (I think it is possible even with a mini U)?

Also, does the insurance cover the loss if the lock is not broken?

 

[Funtboy]

Hi all, I'm glad this has been bumped as I need further advice.

Sheldon method appeals completely to my logical side but unfortunately my irrational side won't let me go with it.

I have decided to go for a NY 3000 D lock and will fill the D with wheel, seat tube and post (hopefully) I nearly went for a fahgettaboudit but I felt that it might not always fit around the three elements named above.

*Question 1 - Has anyone had trouble filling the D with the 3000 or another similar sized lock?

For the front wheel I see that a lot of people using cables as a secondary deterrent. I figured that I might get a NY Evolution mini lock instead. The reason being that cables can be snapped with ease. I have heard people arguing that you should use two different types of lock but realistically that only applies if the cable is one of those super heavy cables, not the cables supplied in, for example, Mr Paul's solution...

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/...1_productId_231103_langId_-1_categoryId_31389

Mr Paul, I'm not slagging off your solution, just trying to explain my logic. I just think a jacker will have cutter for this type of cable so the 'two tools' theory wouldn't apply.

*Question 2 - How is my logic so far? I can get the two locks named above for £63.90 all in.

Seats and forks? Hmmm, those component locks seem the way forward don't they but I'm already pushing the 10% rule for buying locks. What to do?

Anyway, I would dearly welcome people's thoughts, cheers.

 

[Funtboy]

So isn't it best to put the U around both the rims and the chain stay (I think it is possible even with a mini U)?

Also, does the insurance cover the loss if the lock is not broken?

Ooh, nice point, I never thought of using the chain stay.

*Question 3 - can mini locks such as the Fahgettaboudit do this?

 

[HF2300]

Anyone ever have problems getting mini-Ds round objects (stands, fence posts, whatever)?

Thinking of getting the Kryptonite Evolution mini-D plus either a good chain or a good cable (Abus Steel-O-flex, probably), but the mini-Ds look awfully small.