Can you criticize a charity without damaging it's ability to do good works?

Discussion in 'News and Current Affairs' started by Time Waster, 13 Feb 2018.

  1. Time Waster

    Time Waster Well-Known Member

    With this Oxfam complaint there has been an argument brought up about how negative stories about charities result in reduced donations. It's why Oxfam PR dept goes all out to suppress negative stories. The argument being don't say anything bad about us or babies will die!

    It's a stupid argument but does it have any merit?

    Personally any malfeasance in a charity should be rooted out and if serious then made public. MSF actually does this with regular reports made public on their performance and includes negative findings. They are apparently at the opposite end of the spectrum to the Oxfam approach.

    So any views on this aspect of a current news story?
  2. mjr

    mjr Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next

    It's a trap and this idea is just the latest bit of bait and I'm disappointed to see you take it.

    The drip drip drip release of Oxfam scandal "news" is a calculated attempt to build support for cutting foreign aid which will increase migration pressure and enable spending the £7bn and then some hiring the ringmasters' friends at the likes of Serco or G4S to increase border protection.

    With most of the last couple of days stories, ask yourself why the newsmaker didn't say these things sooner... was it to drag it out and make the scandal seem bigger?
  3. gavroche

    gavroche Getting old but not past it

    North Wales
    When I see charities advertising with celebs, it puts me off, thinking that a big chunk of the money raised goes to TV companies and celeb's fees.
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  4. FishFright

    FishFright More wheels than sense

    Many of which give their time freely because it's charity mate
  5. pawl

    pawl Veteran

    The only charity I subscribe to are Air Ambulance Life Boat service neither get any government funding and rely on public donations. When I visit The Lakes,Peak District or The Yorkshire Dales I usually put a bit o f cash in the collection tins
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  6. marinyork

    marinyork Resting in suspended Animation

    Editorially there is a media bias to novelty.

    The idea that MSF and Oxfam and others operating around the world have sophisticated PR machines is absurd in the sense that in disaster zones it is usually politicians that get the kudos whilst the charities have a binge of funding that soon dries up. When the media and top level politicians have forgotten charity workers carry on with the work.
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  7. srw

    srw It's a bit more complicated than that...

    You are absolutely right.

    Although I suspect that to many people the PR department of a major charity is as much a sophisticated machine and a tool of the elite as the words of a single individual with articulacy and not much else in the way of real power....
  8. marinyork

    marinyork Resting in suspended Animation

    On the bit about donations. Charities work on trust. I don't think it is a controversial point to suggest donations will go down. Also this may be hard to separate from the economic climate in 2018 and 2019 which I think will be pretty rough.

    The story being substituted is as old as humans though. Perfect charity does a lot of good. Grows to be enormous. Is corrupted and does horrible things, covers it up, is found out and falls from grace with an existential threat.

    We will have to see what the charity commission comes up with, although by then most people will have become bored and forgotten and donations will have already fallen.
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  9. pawl

    pawl Veteran

    According to the NHS website they pay only for the medical staff not running costs
  10. This 100% .
    It's all about swinging public opinion towards stopping aid funding to NGO's overseas whilst maintaining the appearance of holding the moral high ground.
  11. derrick

    derrick The Glue that binds us together.

    Many but not all.:sad:
  12. Ian H

    Ian H Guru

    East Devon
    All charities spend money to fund-raise. All kinds of businesses make money out of charities. I help a business that hires equipment for public events. A lot of their customers are charities, but they couldn't stay in business without charging for their services.
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  13. swansonj

    swansonj Guru

    Err... I realise this is a distraction from the thread, but I can't resist saying, what RAF SAR?
  14. swansonj

    swansonj Guru

    Well, it is actually, and is that not just an old page? The RAF still maintain their (land based) mountain rescue teams, though.

    Anyway, thread distraction.
  15. Diogenes

    Diogenes Guru

    While we're still off topic, RAF Mountain Rescue was formed largely because of one aircraft - the lamentable Blackburn Botha. Introduced as a torpedo bomber it was found to be underpowered and unstable so was quickly dropped from front line service and foisted upon training squadrons. It killed crews with monotonous regularity in bases near mountainous terrain such as Wales and the Lake District which led to the RAF forming rescue teams to go looking for survivors.
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