Different attitudes

Drago

Flouncing Nobber
Location
Valhalla
Something interesting happened, and it's been given very little press coverage.

The Mayor of Madrid suspended the cities low emissions zone, thus allowing people to drive in blithely and pollute as they see fit. As a result, pollution levels have shot up in just a few days. Now, this has caused an outrage, and the Mayor has been forced to reinstate it by the court. Not just an outrage from cycling groups, or from environmental groups. No, a massive, all encompassing outrage from Joe Public at large.

The judge said "the health of Madrid" was more important than "the right to travel by car" and reversed the decision, which I think is an absolutely wonderful sentiment.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48886405

Not a big deal on it's own. However, pause a moment to reflect, and think about what would happen is something similar happened here. The bone idle lazy car driving masses would be straight in their SUVs, and Greenpeace might whittle a hit, Cycling UK might wring their hands in annoyance, Chris Boardman might roll his eyes, but little else will happen. The mainstream public at large, the Daily Mail reading masses, that Ill informed idiot Edmund King, they'd be popping champagne corks and celebrating.

Just goes to show how backward and self absorbed our society is compared to some of our more enlightened continental neighbours.
 

ColinJ

Puzzle game developer
Someone has to do this... :whistle:

The Missus wasn't around to physically restrain me this time, and I've gone and bought another pedestrian slaughtering, nun murdering, puppy torturing, Guardian reader annoying 4x4.

T'is a 1994 Fronter 2.4 petrol on mud tyres. Very smart and clean, just failed its MOT on emissions and rear brakes. Reckon I can fix it up and get a year's ticket easy enough.

I don't need an extra fourbie, or have any use for one. I just like them.
However, pause a moment to reflect, and think about what would happen is something similar happened here. The bone idle lazy car driving masses would be straight in their SUVs, and Greenpeace might whittle a hit, Cycling UK might wring their hands in annoyance, Chris Boardman might roll his eyes, but little else will happen. The mainstream public at large, the Daily Mail reading masses, that Ill informed idiot Edmund King, they'd be popping champagne corks and celebrating.
Well, at least you came to your senses... eventually! :laugh:
 
Location
London
Something interesting happened, and it's been given very little press coverage.

The Mayor of Madrid suspended the cities low emissions zone, thus allowing people to drive in blithely and pollute as they see fit. As a result, pollution levels have shot up in just a few days. Now, this has caused an outrage, and the Mayor has been forced to reinstate it by the court. Not just an outrage from cycling groups, or from environmental groups. No, a massive, all encompassing outrage from Joe Public at large.

The judge said "the health of Madrid" was more important than "the right to travel by car" and reversed the decision, which I think is an absolutely wonderful sentiment.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48886405

Not a big deal on it's own. However, pause a moment to reflect, and think about what would happen is something similar happened here. The bone idle lazy car driving masses would be straight in their SUVs, and Greenpeace might whittle a hit, Cycling UK might wring their hands in annoyance, Chris Boardman might roll his eyes, but little else will happen. The mainstream public at large, the Daily Mail reading masses, that Ill informed idiot Edmund King, they'd be popping champagne corks and celebrating.

Just goes to show how backward and self absorbed our society is compared to some of our more enlightened continental neighbours.
Agree that it is good and encouraging - but, at the risk of ploughing a regular furrow of mine, I don't think you should be too hard on the Brits.

I know a fair bit about Italy and there many many folk are physically attached to their cars - a brave brave transport commisioner of an Italian city I know felt compelled to tell/remind the inhabitants that it wasn't a constitutional right to be able to park wherever you want/right right outside your ultimate destination. He was referring primarily to shops in town I think. Many folk double park, if they have an elderly relative sitting in the car all rules are off, including having to stop at zebras. I myself have been asked to stay sat in the car cos of course if someone breathing is sat in a car the yellow lines/parking restrictions don't apply. Call me a boring Brit but I refused, at the risk of being thought antipatico. have had a guy drive at 90 degrees to park in a cycling lane I was cycling up - and his oh so sophisticated cool contempt for my protestations was a sight to behold. So widespread is this sort of behavior that there is a FB group for pic examples of it.
So I agree with your positive feelings but cut the Brits some slack.
 
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tom73

Veteran
Location
Yorkshire
John Mann MP sent out a survey last night wanting to know our views, I have advised him I am unable to complete the rest of his survey due to question 2.

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No other options available, he won't enter into discussion about wind, solar etc.
Backward thinking looks to be a problem for his fellow local MP Dan Jarvis who has the city region mayor. Go's on about improving active travel appoints Sarah Storey as his own version of Chris Boardman. Then on the the other hands over Millions of quid city region money to a council to improve congestion by turning over just short of 2 hectares of an urban parkland into a gyratory. :wacko:
 
Location
London
Which was one of my reasons for voting Remain.:smile:
wot car addiction?

Did you perhaps vote remain cos the neighbours have "better food", "more sunshine"?

just seen this - see my post above.

I fear your post helps explain why so many voted leave.
 
Location
London
There was a vote how long ago was that, not sure I can remember that far back?
?

I was replying to a post by someone who clearly could remember that far back.

If you are referring to an all too common tendency to gratuitously chuck Brexit references into things, I am with you.
 

winjim

Stay at home. Protect the NHS. Save lives.
Someone has to do this... :whistle:



Well, at least you came to your senses... eventually! :laugh:
I know Drago's big enough and ugly enough to stick up for himself, but for the sake of completeness you really need to include this quote.

I use the bike over the car in all possible circumstances, for environmental reasons. I reformed and became very anti air pollution following the death of neighbours daughter from asthma, who I unsuccessfully gave CPR to. That kind of shizzle gives you a major recalibration.
 

raleighnut

Guru
Location
On 3 Wheels
Agree that it is good and encouraging - but, at the risk of ploughing a regular furrow of mine, I don't think you should be too hard on the Brits.

I know a fair bit about Italy and there many many folk are physically attached to their cars - a brave brave transport commisioner of an Italian city I know felt compelled to tell/remind the inhabitants that it wasn't a constitutional right to be able to park wherever you want/right right outside your ultimate destination. He was referring primarily to shops in town I think. Many folk double park, if they have an elderly relative sitting in the car all rules are off, including having to stop at zebras. I myself have been asked to stay sat in the car cos of course if someone breathing is sat in a car the yellow lines/parking restrictions don't apply. Call me a boring Brit but I refused, at the risk of being thought antipatico. have had a guy drive at 90 degrees to park in a cycling lane I was cycling up - and his oh so sophisticated cool contempt for my protestations was a sight to behold. So widespread is this sort of behavior that there is a FB group for pic examples of it.
So I agree with your positive feelings but cut the Brits some slack.
Err Madrid was in Spain last time I looked.
 
Location
London
Err Madrid was in Spain last time I looked.
well spotted raleighnut.
I too have an education.
I was referring to the reference to more enlightened european neighbours which sounded rather more widespread.
My point and post remains.
And I stress that I am not really picking an argument with drago.
I share his warm feeling at this popular initiative.
Suggest you reread my post.
Happy chilled cycling on your favourite Ridgeback.
 
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