Faith Schools

david k

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North West
i was reading some interesting posts on a motorcycle forum a few months ago around Faith Schools

I have my own thoughts and feel that education should be separate from faith, I was surprised how many people strongly believe Schools should be associated with faith and restricted to that religion. The thread was closed down, not because there were any issues, but one of the admin had strong thoughts and didn't want it discussed.

So I guess my questions are

Should they exists or are they outdated
Do they cause division in society
Do they artificially inflate numbers
Should it not be discussed
 

glasgowcyclist

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Scotland
In my view, all schools should be non-denominational. Nothing wrong with them including education about faiths as a general topic but accepting pupils based solely on them being adherents to a single religion, and using the school to promote only the teachings of that religion, is wrong.
 
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david k

david k

Hi
Location
North West
In my view, all schools should be non-denominational. Nothing wrong with them including education about faiths as a general topic but accepting pupils based solely on them being adherents to a single religion, and using the school to promote only the teachings of that religion, is wrong.
Agree, but many don't, why? And I'm not talking about extremists
 

Grant Fondo

Oswalds legs look strangely human?
Location
Cheshire
i was reading some interesting posts on a motorcycle forum a few months ago around Faith Schools

I have my own thoughts and feel that education should be separate from faith, I was surprised how many people strongly believe Schools should be associated with faith and restricted to that religion. The thread was closed down, not because there were any issues, but one of the admin had strong thoughts and didn't want it discussed.

So I guess my questions are

Should they exists or are they outdated
Do they cause division in society
Do they artificially inflate numbers
Should it not be discussed
My worry is that both of your posts are angling towards or intimating that Muslim faith schools in the UK are wrong. The words 'them' and 'they' are incredibly provocative. 'They' are British nationals as deserving of the DfE funds as anyone else in this country. No wonder these type of posts get canned. They always start with an agenda.
 

alicat

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Staffs
I went to Catholic schools. My secondary school has a facebook page and my year has a messenger group. We left 40 years ago. For me, our faith was an extra bond uniting us and I think it has helped us reunite all those years later. It didn't feel extremist at the time and it doesn't now. I am non-practising; however I still value my Catholic schooling.
 

Joey Shabadoo

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When I was a child, I played with the boy two doors down from us. When we were four, we went to the same nursery. When we were five we were split up and sent to different schools - I went to the school a few hundred yards from our street, he went... somewhere else. We still played after school but gradually less and less so because he had his schoolfriends and shared experiences and I had different schoolfriends and different shared experiences. Eventually we became just nodding acquaintances.

Just a standard thing for Catholics and Protestants in Scotland I suppose.
 

siadwell

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Location
Surrey
My worry is that both of your posts are angling towards or intimating that Muslim faith schools in the UK are wrong. The words 'them' and 'they' are incredibly provocative. 'They' are British nationals as deserving of the DfE funds as anyone else in this country. No wonder these type of posts get canned. They always start with an agenda.
No one mentioned Muslims until you did! “They” and “them” in the OP are clearly referring to faith schools (ie things) not people, so you are being more than a bit presumptuous and indeed provocative yourself
 
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david k

david k

Hi
Location
North West
My worry is that both of your posts are angling towards or intimating that Muslim faith schools in the UK are wrong. The words 'them' and 'they' are incredibly provocative. 'They' are British nationals as deserving of the DfE funds as anyone else in this country. No wonder these type of posts get canned. They always start with an agenda.
Not at all, I can only guess you are trolling as I didn't mention Muslim at all, you then go on to address a point I hadn't made, entirely your assumption and incorrect.

The discussion on a forum I read previously was around Catholic schools, but thought it was better to start this conversation by using the term faith rather than Catholic as the questions are probably relevant to all faiths and I think less provocative than isolating a single faith
 
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david k

david k

Hi
Location
North West
I went to Catholic schools. My secondary school has a facebook page and my year has a messenger group. We left 40 years ago. For me, our faith was an extra bond uniting us and I think it has helped us reunite all those years later. It didn't feel extremist at the time and it doesn't now. I am non-practising; however I still value my Catholic schooling.
A well balanced post. This was a common response to these discussions, it seems many have fond memories and it's important to some to have that faith associated with their upbringing and relationships with others.

All of the bonding and unity I value, but the opposite side is those with a different or no faith may feel pushed out.

My thoughts currently are that faith can be available at schools, but not part of its everyday compulsory activity, shouldnt be a faith school but can teach all faiths and have access to faith which is optional

People can be turned away from a school due to their faith, this I find strange, why should it be entwined in education, shouldn't that stand alone?
 
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david k

david k

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Location
North West
When I was a child, I played with the boy two doors down from us. When we were four, we went to the same nursery. When we were five we were split up and sent to different schools - I went to the school a few hundred yards from our street, he went... somewhere else. We still played after school but gradually less and less so because he had his schoolfriends and shared experiences and I had different schoolfriends and different shared experiences. Eventually we became just nodding acquaintances.

Just a standard thing for Catholics and Protestants in Scotland I suppose.
That's quite a sad story really, I just struggle to understand it, children are just children.
 
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My worry is that both of your posts are angling towards or intimating that Muslim faith schools in the UK are wrong. The words 'them' and 'they' are incredibly provocative. 'They' are British nationals as deserving of the DfE funds as anyone else in this country. No wonder these type of posts get canned. They always start with an agenda.
"They" is an offensive term?
How about
It
Thing
She
He
Duck
?
See next post. Mentions the C word.
I take "faith" to refer to any faith.
And it is perfectly reasonable to discuss the issue.
I am an atheist.
As far as I am concerned folk can worship donald duck in their back bedrooms as long as they don't try to impose his duckness values on society.
Am undecided on faith schools.
I may learn something if there is no prissy closing down of reasonable debate.

Edited to remove repeated donald. Must have been getting carried away/inspired.
 
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winjim

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Something I thought had been abolished but apparently was reinforced in legislation as late as 1998, is the requirement for schools to hold a daily collective act of worship, so in that respect all schools are faith schools.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/31/section/70

I do think that faith is by definition incompatible with certain aspects of education and faith schools are by their nature discriminatory, but religious faith is a huge part of some people's lives, culture and identity so I can understand them wanting to send their kids to a school which reinforces that faith. But it does smack of indoctrination to me. How can you teach critical thinking and scientific reasoning at the same time as religion?
 
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david k

david k

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Location
North West
Looks like it's OK to say Catholics, but not Muslims funny old world ain't it.
My views for what it is worth :-
Religion should be taught outside school hours and paid for by the parents if they so wish.
And the more it is debated reasonably the more understanding of all cultures people become, IMO that breaks down barriers and builds trust, closing discussions down or inferring vaguely some type of agenda is very unhelpful and scares people into not discussing at all

Debates can be respectful whilst sharing own thoughts
 
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