Flipping trains

Unkraut

Master of the Inane Comment
Location
Germany
588474 Does it make you long for the good ol' days of British Rail?
 

Drago

Flouncing Nobber
Location
Poshshire
How do you get into a situation where a major rail company has to withdraw most of its fleet of intercity trains?
Buy expensive, foreign built trains and then don't maintain them properly?

Thr longest crack thus found is reported to be almost a foot long, so its clearly been happening for a while and not been spotted until the damage has become severe.

Personally id be disinclined to use the services of a rail company that inspects its equipment so ineffectively/infrequently that damage this bad can occur.
 
Buy expensive, foreign built trains
There are three classes, the Cl 800, 801 and 802. Of these the 800 and 801 production models were built in Newton Aycliffe.

Japanese trains and Japanese railways have a formidable reputation for reliability, although from extensive experience as an end user in Japan the rail network there is heavily (over?) engineered and there seems to be a lot more built in redundancy and "spare" trains than in the UK.
 
Apparently the trains are fine. The cracks are are on the lifting points for inspections and maintenance. Looks like they have to include the lifting points in the inspection checklist. The Japanese and the Germans are stickler for quality, so this is an oddball.

Anyway if we built the trains ourselves, many of us would not be able to afford the fares. At least we have a massive plant in Durham that does the complete , testing and servicing. I think it is good mix.
 

Drago

Flouncing Nobber
Location
Poshshire
There are three classes, the Cl 800, 801 and 802. Of these the 800 and 801 production models were built in Newton Aycliffe.

Japanese trains and Japanese railways have a formidable reputation for reliability, although from extensive experience as an end user in Japan the rail network there is heavily (over?) engineered and there seems to be a lot more built in redundancy and "spare" trains than in the UK.
An exeellent post from an obvious Trainist. So do Hitachi made those models here themselves, or is it subbed to a local firm?
 
We assemble trains ! We don't make them any more !
Typical useless British management not believing in its workforce to make things and thinking it could buy off the shelf cheaply .
The trains didn't fit our network , so bridges and station platforms had to be rebuilt to suit them . The trains had to be fitted with diesel engines as not everywhere can be electrified.
So it seems like a well thought through idea ! :whistle:
 
Apparently the trains are fine. The cracks are are on the lifting points for inspections and maintenance. Looks like they have to include the lifting points in the inspection checklist. The Japanese and the Germans are stickler for quality, so this is an oddball.

Anyway if we built the trains ourselves, many of us would not be able to afford the fares. At least we have a massive plant in Durham that does the complete , testing and servicing. I think it is good mix.
It still doesn't sound like a good place for cracks to appear if it is in a crucial lifting point .
 

Bromptonaut

Rohan Man
Location
Bugbrooke UK
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mustang1

Guru
Location
London, UK
We assemble trains ! We don't make them any more !
Typical useless British management not believing in its workforce to make things and thinking it could buy off the shelf cheaply .
The trains didn't fit our network , so bridges and station platforms had to be rebuilt to suit them . The trains had to be fitted with diesel engines as not everywhere can be electrified.
So it seems like a well thought through idea ! :whistle:
Wow this sounds like the PC doesn't work so let's change the internet! Sounds crazy, even to a layman like me.
 
We assemble trains ! We don't make them any more !
Typical useless British management not believing in its workforce to make things and thinking it could buy off the shelf cheaply .
The trains didn't fit our network , so bridges and station platforms had to be rebuilt to suit them . The trains had to be fitted with diesel engines as not everywhere can be electrified.
So it seems like a well thought through idea ! :whistle:
I'm not overly convinced by the current trend of making Electric units where every axle is powered, because it would seem to be rather inflexible in situations like this. Adding a diesel engine has a certain logic to it, but again it means you are dragging the diesel engine about all the time. I've been on many trains here where the diesel is taken off the front and an electric locomotive substituted when they reach overhead wires, which seems to be a more practical option, not least because it means that the failure of one locomotive doesn't mean the withdrawal of the whole train.

That said, gradually rebuilding at least trunk routes of the UK system to take European sized trains would seem a good idea, but unlikely.
 
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