My cycling fitness aint great but I run and do hills too and walk everywhere so im not bad in fitness but cyclings cycling. Anyhow, for the 1st day this year (as its rained every tue & thurs) I went down to the circuit thats used by one of the clubs in liverpool (by the airport) and it turned out there was only 3 out inc. me on bloke got quite a low fitness rate but comes out anyhow and another who is fast in the through and off' manouvre...so he's quite fit.. So, as its only 3 its usually going to be on the front for 30(secs) then off etc..etc.. Now, ive been riding with these riders/club for years and on occasion they can kill themselves on the way out (takes me a while to warm up) and on the way back they can crawl. Back to story. But it turned out it was through and off which was too much for me so after half a bit i upon gettng on the front carried on, and then again, and then 'attacked' again 3 times I tried...it ended very negatively. The moral is this: If anyone in this club in liverpool (which I wont name) is reading this, and ive wondered about this for years:- why the hell dont you get organised / someone in charge - who can last the distance, ride at a 'testing' level yet not lose sight of the lowest in fitness and those who are ok can ride the front...instead of it being everyman for himself mentality... Which is a supreme killer for someone who is starting in this godforesakensport... Its gonna take an absolute seizmic shift to change the attitude in this country to cycling never mind those involved if this attitude exists..unless its only relegated to this area ! - which is hardly surprising.