Discussion in 'Beginners' started by Sanny, 1 Jul 2008.

  1. Sanny

    Sanny New Member

    I'm looking for lights for my bike and found these on the bay of e, has any one got these and most important are they any good.
    I will be cycling on a cycle path but some parts of the path have no lights at all.
  2. alfablue

    alfablue New Member

    It won't be 200 lumens, nowhere near. It might be okay but you can do loads better for not much more. Also, I wouldn't buy from a Hong Kong eBay seller (not again, got sent the wrong item, had to return it for an exchange, they refused to refund my postage, buyer protection does not include postage! I'm sure most sales would be fine, but when it goes wrong you're stuffed).

    I recommend a Fenix L2 D CE Q5 (£37.95 post free) with a Twofish Lockblock mount. It is a better emitter than the ebay one (the Q5 is the most efficient/brightest LED generally available at the moment), and the light is incredibly bright, I have commuted on 10 miles of completely unlit cycle path through the winter and it is very bright. Lasts for 4.5 hours on high (which is plenty) or 2 hours on turbo.

    You need rechargeables (NiMH not Nicad) to get the best performance from it, alkaline output falls rapidly with LED lights. I recommend Vapextech 2900mah NiMH AA rechargeables, 4 for £5.50 post free, and a smart charger like the Vapextech LCD,WORLD (110v/240v) ,ULTRA FAST 1 HOUR CHARGER £14.55 post free.

    Both the Photon Shop and Vapextech are very reliable UK based shops that I have used several times and always had perfect service with next day delivery.

    The Fenix uses 2 AA's so that setup will give you 9 hours of high power use.

    The quality of the Fenix lights is superb, and they provide more battery life and brightness than anything else this side of £120 - I upgraded from a Dinotte which cost me £100, has half the battery life, uses twice as many batteries, and is significantly less bright.

    There - problem solved :sad:
  3. CopperBrompton

    CopperBrompton Bicycle: a means of transport between cake-stops

    The Fenix (which is a Cree) is 180 lumens; Dinotte is 200.

  4. alfablue

    alfablue New Member

    The new Dinotte 200L may be 200 lumens (hence the 200L name), the Dinotte 5w Ultra that I bought (the previous model) is clearly less bright than the Fenix. But lumens ratings cannot be taken definitively as there are different approaches to measuring output in lumens, real world experience is more reliable than manufacturer's specs. I have posted some comparison shots somewhere on this site before.

    Even with the 200L model, the Fenix still wins on price (£37.95 versus £99.99), number of batteries (2 rather than 4), weight (about 100g less), ease of use (easier bar mount, easier battery replacement), and form (one thing to mount rather than lamp and battery box). Run times are probably comparable with the 200L. That said, the Dinotte is a great light for the price, just I could run 2 Fenix for less money and have twice the illumination (maybe one on a helmet mount) - seems like a no brainer to me.
  5. Mister Paul

    Mister Paul Legendary Member

    Can you get a red lens for the Fenix? I've got ayups on the front, and am looking for something equally imposing for the back this autumn.
  6. alfablue

    alfablue New Member

    Yes, you can get a red filter for £3.25 posted. For a rear light the L1 D CE might be an option, it takes 1 AA battery so is shorter, and provides a claimed 120 rather than 180 lumens. It will take the red filter. Costs £35.95 delivered.

    That said, I use a Smart Superflash 1/2 watt rear light, which takes 2 x AAA, runs for 30hrs and is very very bright, costs around £11. For extra "imposition" you could fit two. I think the Fenix beam might be a bit narrow for the best rearward visibility.

    On second thoughts, fit 1 Superflash, and 1 Smart 7 LED rear light (around £8). The 7 LED light is less bright but has some sideways facing LED's so gives greater all round visibility.
  7. RedBike

    RedBike New Member

    Beside the road
    I have a very similar set of lights to those (same body, different lens).
    It is plausable that they are 200 lumens. Well, they're noticably brighter than the budget led offerings from the likes of Cateye / smart.

    The BIG downside to mine is the lens. I get a tiny very bright central spot then a rather dull outer halo. If that adjsutable lens is any good then they'll be a great set of lights.

    I would also look at smarts 1 watt led
    It's nowhere near as bright as the 200lumen lights but a much better lens (than the one i've got) means it's actually lights up more of the road.
  8. alfablue

    alfablue New Member

    Sorry to differ Redbike, I had an Electron 1 watt and no way was it adequate for unlit roads, I used to have to cycle very slow and just hope for the best with that one. I guess the smart 1 watt would offer similar output.
  9. dantheman

    dantheman Über Member

    i use that smart set, the 1/2 watt rear is great.... the 1 watt front is not great, but i find it adequate on the unlit roads i use, but wouldnt want to use unknown roads at high speed with it. ok but not great, but the beam does have a good spread to it, as redbike says..

    great for the price..
  10. RedBike

    RedBike New Member

    Beside the road
    Good point.
    The Smart is rather feable; but then again so are most £20 LED lights.
    I suppose a lot depends on what you've got used to.
    I used to use the Smart for a small section of unlit country road on my commute. At the time having just 'upgraded' from cheap dynamo lights I thought it was magic. Having just dug it back out again i'm now not so sure. I suppose it's about the minimum you can get away with.

    I now use a high end HID on the bars and one of those Cheap Crees on my helmet. I wouldn't want to be stuck with just the Cree; and thats noticably brighter than the Smart!
  11. Mister Paul

    Mister Paul Legendary Member


    Comparison time again. Note that these lights look brighter when you're their. They're dimmer in these photos because of the camera settings. So, while you won't get an idea of their real brightness, you can get a good comparison.

    Cateye EL-530

    BLT Ozone 21ne (4w LED)

    Wait for it,

    And my favourite, my Ayups
  12. RedBike

    RedBike New Member

    Beside the road
  13. HJ

    HJ Cycling in Scotland

    Auld Reekie
    For a serious review of some serious lights see here.

    Interesting that we should be discussing lights in the middle of the summer, it is gone half nine and the sun hasn't set yet. Not a criticism just a coment :ohmy:
  14. OP

    Sanny New Member

    Thanks for all the info and links:smile:
    Hairy Jock I'm going on nightshift in a few weeks and I'm thinking about taken my bike.:biggrin:
  15. HJ

    HJ Cycling in Scotland

    Auld Reekie
    I remember when I was living in Aberdeen a few years ago going out to Balmedie (so we were away from the city lights) to see the Perseids meteor storm only to find that it never really got dark enough, but then again it was dark enough to need cycle lights to be seen by.
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