new touring bike advice please

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sjb

New Member
Location
Huddersfield
Last year I got a Giant SCR2.0 and a Giant Expression hybrid, with the plan of using the SCR for commuting and fitness and the Expression to replace my ancient GT MTB for family cycling trips. The SCR has been wonderful, but the Expression is not comfortable for me and is too cumbersome. I also much prefer using the STI levers.

So my plan is to sell the Expression and get a new "proper" tourer for family trips. The SCR can then be stripped of mudguards and rack and used for sportier road riding and TT's next year (my goal for my forthcoming 40th year is to compete in my first TT and knock an hour or so off this year's time for the Kirklees Sportive). My employer has just announced a new round of Bike 2 work kicking off at the end of July, using Cyclescheme so I will have the choice of a whole range of good LBSs.

My budget will be around £750-1000, the less the better. My main concern is that for family rides I tow my 6 year old daughter using a tag-along, an arrangement I expect to continue into next summer as we tend to do quite long rides (35 miles +) which she won't be able to do even when she's finally learnt to ride on her own.....so the bike must be strong enough to cope with a tag-along, my non-inconsiderable weight (somewhre between 15-16 stones) and loaded panniers front and back.

I definately do not want bar end shifters, and would quite like a set of bar top brake levers to supplement the STI's. I've been looking at the Claud Butler Dalesman which seems to meet most of the criteria, also possibly the Koga Sutra.

Anything else anyone would recommend I look at? Is my preference for 700c wheels silly? Would disc brakes be worth looking at?

Any advice gratefully received!

Cheers

Simon
 

Amanda P

Legendary Member
I don't have one (my tourer is a 20 year old Galaxy) but Thorn's tourers get a good press.
 

jay clock

Massive member
Location
Hampshire UK
I have a Koga Miyata World Traveller. Perhaps a little "full-on" for what you want but I love it. I previously had a Saracen Skyline which was a Galaxy clone and that was great too.
 

Cathryn

Legendary Member
I have a Thorn and adore it beyond words. The husband has a supergalaxy and it's been fine. There are some good Thorns that would be robust enough for what you've described...I'd give SJS a shout.

Good bike shops in your area - Spa Cycles in Harrogate (mainly Dawes) and CycleSense in Tadcaster. Both great shops. Spa specialise in touring bikes.
 

Tombo 707

New Member
Location
Shetland
Ridgeback Panorama

Hi I was too looking at buying a Kona Sutra but ended up buying a Ridgeback. I am allso new to touring and have found the ridgback to be a smashing bike. I done over 1000 miles on it and had no problems. Great value steele framed touring bike.
 

brian_k

Regular
I have a Koga Miyata World Traveller. Perhaps a little "full-on" for what you want but I love it. I previously had a Saracen Skyline which was a Galaxy clone and that was great too.

Hi Jay, just interested if your experience with the Skyline led you to believe that it was any more stiffer or dead when unloaded than any other comparable tourer like a Hewitt Cheviot etc.
 

jay clock

Massive member
Location
Hampshire UK
wow impressive thread resurrection! and I see @Cathryn was in on the original chat 14 years ago!

i have not ridden anything similar. But the Skyline was a comfy steel frame. I now have a Ridgeback Panorama World Traveller as well as the Koga

My biggest beef with the Skyline was the rubbish cantilever brakes
 

brian_k

Regular
wow impressive thread resurrection! and I see @Cathryn was in on the original chat 14 years ago!

i have not ridden anything similar. But the Skyline was a comfy steel frame. I now have a Ridgeback Panorama World Traveller as well as the Koga

My biggest beef with the Skyline was the rubbish cantilever brakes

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Thanks for your reply.
How do you think your Panorama compares with your old Skyline?
The bike rides and tracks OK, but it is the feeling of deadness in comparison with something like my Casseroll. A tourer format with guards, racks makes sense as a utility machine for commuting etc, they should be stiff to prevent them being noodly when loaded up, so effort shouldn't be being lost in excessive frame bend, so I can only put it down to the weight, the wheels (A319 with Marathon Supremes), geometry - a tall head tube and larger main triangle, or maybe riding position.
Perhaps a livelier frame that is more responsive/satisfying unloaded in a quality (531-ish) touring bike would defy the laws of physics and is fundamentally unattainable. If so, I might be wasting my time building up the Hewitt Cheviot frame that I own.
I think with reasonable pads/cantis and adjustment, the brakes were quite good - not far from the DT BB7s that I rode previously, the only issue was that I had notable judder from the headset-mounted cable hanger until I added a lower mount. I can't imagine that the frame/forks would be any softer than any other typical tourer and they braked tolerably on cantis for decades.
 

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Petrichorwheels

Senior Member
a common issue, but yes very easily solved with a £5 up hanger off the fork bridge.

can you or @brian_k tell me more?
I have a Hewitt with cantis - if I'd known what I know now I would have specified Vs (along with square taper for that matter) when I bought it new from Hewitts. I get terrible judder on the front when flying down the likes of Pendle and am trying to isolate the reason.
I know some folks say that issues with Cantis are just due to ignorance and poor set-up but I have had this issue, plus poor braking in extremis, since buying the bike from Hewitt. And the guidance/remedies for folks on cantis always drag back unfortunate memories of winter afternoon O level physics and maths/trig lessons - Vs just work.
 
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