Oil tankers and Brexit....a portent of things to come....

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/19/british-tanker-iran-capture-fears-stena-impero-uk-ship-latest?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

This is where Brexiteers fail to understand the mess we are getting ourselves into.

In order to appease our yankie ‘friends’ we detain a Tanker. These are the friends who reneged on the Iranian Nuke deal.
The Iranians as expected retaliate tit-for-tat in their own back yard. Of course now we are a very soft target and in a weak negotiating position. We no longer have a sinificant navy. We are withdrawing from our EU friends which leaves us in hoc to Trump.
It’s at this point I hope Brexiteers wake-up to Britain’s true position in the world outside of the EU. No longer a military power. In no economic position to be able to properly feed its poor let alone build warships. Lacking influence in EU policy making and grovelling to Trump.
What a schitt-show...
 
I understand your desperation to blame everything on Brexit.

One problem, we are still in the EU.

Which hasn't done us much good in this scenario.

Perhaps we should consider leaving.
 

Diogenes

brr, summer's over
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/19/british-tanker-iran-capture-fears-stena-impero-uk-ship-latest?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

This is where Brexiteers fail to understand the mess we are getting ourselves into.

In order to appease our yankie ‘friends’ we detain a Tanker. These are the friends who reneged on the Iranian Nuke deal.
The Iranians as expected retaliate tit-for-tat in their own back yard. Of course now we are a very soft target and in a weak negotiating position. We no longer have a sinificant navy. We are withdrawing from our EU friends which leaves us in hoc to Trump.
It’s at this point I hope Brexiteers wake-up to Britain’s true position in the world outside of the EU. No longer a military power. In no economic position to be able to properly feed its poor let alone build warships. Lacking influence in EU policy making and grovelling to Trump.
What a schitt-show...
The Iranian tanker was detained by an EU state (us) because it was suspected of breaking EU sanctions. The Spanish Navy was in attendance hoping to grab it in Gibraltar waters as this would have been a publicity coup for them. The only US involvement was intelligence because the EU and US share intelligence on Syria.

Ever since the Iranians attacked the 4 tankers in the Gulf last month, the US have been pressing for the various EU naval ships in the Gulf to act in concert to defend shipping, something the EU has dithered on.

The tankers detained/boarded by the Iranians were empty and inbound - the Royal Navy has been escorting full, outbound tankers.

If anything, this shows the weakness of the EU to act collectively.
 
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Fab Foodie

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
The Iranian tanker was detained by an EU state (us) because it was suspected of breaking EU sanctions. The Spanish Navy was in attendance hoping to grab it in Gibraltar waters as this would have been a publicity coup for them. The only US involvement was intelligence because the EU and US share intelligence on Syria.

Ever since the Iranians attacked the 4 tankers in the Gulf last month, the US have been pressing for the various EU naval ships in the Gulf to act in concert to defend shipping, something the EU has dithered on.

The tankers detained/boarded by the Iranians were empty and inbound - the Royal Navy has been escorting full, outbound tankers.

If anything, this shows the weakness of the EU to act collectively.
According to R4 news this morning, the tanker was not breaking EU rules but US Sanctions and we were asked to do their dirty work....
 

Diogenes

brr, summer's over
According to R4 news this morning, the tanker was not breaking EU rules but US Sanctions and we were asked to do their dirty work....
That's not how it was reported at the time of the seizure -

Royal Marines have boarded an oil tanker on its way to Syria thought to be breaching EU sanctions, the government of Gibraltar has said.

Authorities said there was reason to believe the ship - Grace 1 - was carrying Iranian crude oil to the Baniyas Refinery in Syria.

The refinery is subject to European Union sanctions against Syria.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48865030

I posted here at the time -

But the seizure did not take place in the port, which is part of Gibraltar’s territory, but further out in waters that Spain considers its own. In spite of it, Madrid made no attempt at halting the boarding operation.

“Spain did not want to interfere because this was about upholding EU sanctions,” said a ministry source. A Civil Guard patrol boat was sent out to monitor the operation.

British diplomatic sources told EL PAÍS that they are convinced Madrid and London are working towards the same goal of ensuring that EU sanctions against Syria are respected.

“It was done in observance of international law, and we have no doubt whatsoever that the government of Spain also supports the sanctions regime, even though we admit that both governments still have a pending dispute over the territory
https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/07/05/inenglish/1562310818_569487.html

On 17 May 2019, the Council extended EU restrictive measures against the Syrian regime until 1 June 2020. In line with the EU strategy on Syria, the EU decided to maintain its restrictive measures against the Syrian regime and its supporters as the repression of civilian population continues.
More broadly, sanctions currently in place against Syria include an oil embargo...
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/sanctio...and-gas-and-electricity-generating-industries
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/sanctions-on-syria
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/...ews-sanctions-against-the-regime-by-one-year/

Since then, the Foreign Secretary has tried to de-escalate by suggesting it could be released if it's not going to Syria

LONDON (Reuters) - British foreign minister Jeremy Hunt told his Iranian counterpart on Saturday that Britain would facilitate the release of the detained Grace 1 oil tanker if Tehran gave guarantees it would not go to Syria.
If the Iranians wanted it released, all they had to do was say it wasn't going to Syria. Instead they threatened to retaliate against British shipping.
 

Diogenes

brr, summer's over
You'd think this retaliation against an EU state enforcing EU sanctions would get some kind of response from the EU and it has - not reported so far as I can see in the UK.

According to a spokesman, EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini expressed deep concern over the incidents and called for the immediate release of the British ship, which has now been arrested. "In an already tense situation, this carries the risk of further escalation and undermines ongoing efforts to overcome current tensions," it said.

Germany and France showed solidarity with Great Britain. "The Federal Government condemns the fixing of two merchant ships in the Gulf in the strongest terms," said a spokesman for the German Foreign Ministry. "This is an unjustifiable interference in the civilian shipping industry, which further exacerbates an already tense situation."
Google translate from https://www.wn.de/Welt/Thema/3884803-Eskalation-am-Golf-Grossbritannien-droht-dem-Iran-in-Tankerkrise

It's easier to pick on an EU state than the US, yes.
 

Diogenes

brr, summer's over
According to R4 news this morning, the tanker was not breaking EU rules but US Sanctions and we were asked to do their dirty work....
A variation on that is there are/were apparently two other tankers that had gone through the Med to Syria in breach of the EU sanctions, but the EU had turned a blind eye and done nothing - maybe because individual countries decided "not my problem" or maybe because the EU views placating Iran as more important than keeping the pressure on Assad. Who knows, idle speculation. The US therefore made a point of formally telling Britain & Spain about the 3rd tanker so they couldn't plead ignorance.
 
Maybe if we had an EU military they could do something about it :whistle:
 

perplexed

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Yes....wouldn’t that be worth working towards....
Maybe if we had an EU military they could do something about it :whistle:
It hasn't half gone quiet on Twitter as far as 'you want to stay in the EU and be bossed around by Germany in the coming EU army, ha ha, traitor' front, usually followed by the inevitable weeping with laughter emojis... Of course, the 'there's going to be an EU army' was frequently juxstaposed - often by the same person - with 'the failed EU superstate is falling apart'.

 
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Phaeton

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Well that was all a waste of time.
Iran have sold the oil to Syria anyway despite promising not to.
There was never going to be any other outcome, the only real option was to sink the vessel which luckily nobody was willing to do, Iran knew nothing would happen, they have played the game too many times with favorable outcomes.
 
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