Potential Benefits of leaving the EU

raleighnut

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With all the likelihood of us leaving with no deal in place, what can a future Government do.

As I see it.

  • Britain will be able to Re- Nationalise our 'public services' (Water, Electricity ,Gas )
  • Public Transport (Busses and Trains)
  • Support our Industry (Steel and Manufacturing)
  • Tax Corporations that claim to make no profit in the UK (Starbucks, McD, KFC etc.)
Anything else members can think of?
 

marinyork

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For a lot of people, they will feel more comfortable about their identity.

Others will feel for the first time ever a government has had to listen to them.
 

cookiemonster

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With all the likelihood of us leaving with no deal in place, what can a future Government do.

As I see it.

  • Britain will be able to Re- Nationalise our 'public services' (Water, Electricity ,Gas )
  • Public Transport (Busses and Trains) We can do this already I believe.
  • Support our Industry (Steel and Manufacturing) We had the chance of doing that but the Gov vetoed it. And here's me thinking we had no control.
  • Tax Corporations that claim to make no profit in the UK (Starbucks, McD, KFC etc.) Not going to happen outwith the EU. The whole premise of Brexit is tax dodging and avoiding the new anti tax evasion laws.
Anything else members can think of?
Erm................:unsure:
 
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cookiemonster

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[QUOTE="marinyork, post: 5670219, member: 333"]For a lot of people, they will feel more comfortable about their identity.

What has that got to do with the EU? No other country has that issue, just England. That's an English problem, not an EU problem.


Others will feel for the first time ever a government has had to listen to them. Now you're just being silly. That's not going to happen. The people who voted for brexit are collateral damage en route to more riches for the 1%[/QUOTE]
 
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raleighnut

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For a lot of people, they will feel more comfortable about their identity.

Others will feel for the first time ever a government has had to listen to them.
:rofl: Fat chance of this lot listening, I mean what will a different political party manage to reform the country in to, maybe a Socialist party in charge will reduce the inequality since the 'Thatcherites' who have destroyed Britain'
 
With all the likelihood of us leaving with no deal in place, what can a future Government do.

As I see it.

  • Britain will be able to Re- Nationalise our 'public services' (Water, Electricity ,Gas )
  • Public Transport (Busses and Trains)
  • Support our Industry (Steel and Manufacturing)
  • Tax Corporations that claim to make no profit in the UK (Starbucks, McD, KFC etc.)
Anything else members can think of?
We have a mix of national, private and locally owned public services and public transport: Our water is supplied by the town, our electricity is private but that's because we chose a different company, the main company locally is owned by the state, and later on I'll catch a publicly owned tram to get to work. There are towns near here who have bought their own railway line or power company, none of this is prevented by the EU.

Germany does support its industries as well.

And the EU is surely better placed to make corporations pay tax than one country. Right now the EU is tightening up on tax because it has the power to do so, while the leaders of Brexit are all known for wanting to reduce taxes.
 
For a lot of people, they will feel more comfortable about their identity.
As @cookiemonster says, this seems to be a very English idea, which is possibly one reason why England and Wales voted for Brexit whereas Scotland and NI didn't.

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This is taken in Neuhausen, not far from where I live. Neuhausen has a funny history, it was technically part of Austria for some time, and still has a very slightly different approach to a lot of things. It's Catholic, and quite conservative. The flags (left to right are Baden-Württemberg. Germany, Europe, and Neuhausen itself, and there isn't really a contradiction in this as far as most people are concerned.

I used to think this idea that the EU was destroying our identity was a UK/Island mentality, partly because Japan has a very similar approach to the outside world, but it does seem to be a specifically English affliction.
 

srw

It's a bit more complicated than that...
With all the likelihood of us leaving with no deal in place, what can a future Government do.

As I see it.

  • Britain will be able to Re- Nationalise our 'public services' (Water, Electricity ,Gas )
  • Public Transport (Busses and Trains)
  • Support our Industry (Steel and Manufacturing)
  • Tax Corporations that claim to make no profit in the UK (Starbucks, McD, KFC etc.)
Anything else members can think of?
None of which are benefits of Brexit because all of them are possible while we are in the EU.

For a lot of people, they will feel more comfortable about their identity.

Others will feel for the first time ever a government has had to listen to them.
Neither of which are benefits of Brexit because both of them are possible while we are in the EU.

The tax one is particularly odd because it's far easier to impose taxes on corporations taking advantage of international tax treaties at the international level.

And the identity and "you've listened" are an invitation to tiny numbers of racists and xenophobes to be complete arses - which is no benefit to anyone other than other racists and xenophobes.

This question has been debated to death in other threads, and nobody has ever found a benefit.
 
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raleighnut

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This question has been debated to death in other threads, and nobody has ever found a benefit
That's the reason for this thread, what positives can we manage to envisage are possible given that 'thewillofthepeople' seems unstoppable.

This is not a thread for arguing against the inevitable but for finding things that will be possible once we've thrown off the oppression that we've suffered for 40 years (since 1979)
 

Slick

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That's the reason for this thread, what positives can we manage to envisage are possible given that 'thewillofthepeople' seems unstoppable.

This is not a thread for arguing against the inevitable but for finding things that will be possible once we've thrown off the oppression that we've suffered for 40 years (since 1979)
I get the point of the thread and I assume that you are a supporter but as you already know, even your suggestions can be done now. I honestly can't see any benefit worth throwing away what we already have. I also think once the initial euphoria of telling Europe to do one, most people would come to the same conclusion.
 
One advantage, although this may not be as relevant for the UK, is that the EU pariament is much more in people's minds now: we're watching what is happening and asking why a rather mediocre German politician is being shoved into the top job, or indeed, where the h*ll the Brexit Party's MEP's were when that was discussed. I think that will improve democracy and make MEP's be a bit more accountable.

Whether the UK benefits from this depends on what happens on Nov. 1st. of course...
 

winjim

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For a lot of people, they will feel more comfortable about their identity.

Others will feel for the first time ever a government has had to listen to them.
That will only be for the briefest of moments before they realise that their identity is exactly the same is it was and the government has been, is and will continue to be screwing them over. Only they won't consciously realise, they'll just look to the next scapegoat, the next bogeyman, the next thing that's holding them back.
 
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