Potential Benefits of leaving the EU

That will only be for the briefest of moments before they realise that their identity is exactly the same is it was...
That's the odd thing. The day after I took German citizenship I was the same person as the day before. Didn't feel any more German or less British.

...the government has been, is and will continue to be screwing them over. Only they won't consciously realise, they'll just look to the next scapegoat, the next bogeyman, the next thing that's holding them back.
And the goverment screwing them over will be ready with a Scapegoat to blame, I'm sure.
 
:rofl: Fat chance of this lot listening, I mean what will a different political party manage to reform the country in to, maybe a Socialist party in charge will reduce the inequality since the 'Thatcherites' who have destroyed Britain'
They 'listened' in 2016 because they got the answer they wanted. Now they've stopped because they don't want to hear something else.
 
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I get the point of the thread and I assume that you are a supporter but as you already know, even your suggestions can be done now. I honestly can't see any benefit worth throwing away what we already have. I also think once the initial euphoria of telling Europe to do one, most people would come to the same conclusion.
:rofl: Tried to send you a PM but not possible, I suggest you look at my posts on the subject.:tongue:
 

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I suppose in theory making trade deals could be easier, or certainly quicker as there's not so many people/countries to satisfy with the details.
This does of course ignore the facts that we don't have enough trade negotiators, we will be negotiating from an extraordinarily weakened position and I'm honestly not sure who's left that the EU hasn't already made deals with that are far better than anything we are going to get, but, if we cross our fingers behind our backs, maybe there's a benefit there somewhere.
 

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:rofl: Fat chance of this lot listening, I mean what will a different political party manage to reform the country in to, maybe a Socialist party in charge will reduce the inequality since the 'Thatcherites' who have destroyed Britain'

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I think those people probably know that. Just a once in a lifetime opportunity never to be repeated before or since for their instructions to be carried out by the politicians. And if they aren't, a lot of people know the politicians were never going to do it anyway.
 

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What has that got to do with the EU? No other country has that issue, just England. That's an English problem, not an EU problem.
If you talk to people on the street, they perceive it to be somehow tied up to the EU and a changing world.

I know you're very proud of your Scottish heritage, but there's no need to invoke the idea of Englishness gratuitously. All four parts of the UK had sizeable numbers of people that voted for brexit. Some parts had a majority for brexit overall, also Wales, others not. If you want to get into that game, how come if Scotland was way behind Gibraltar in terms of percentages that voted to remain? A million people in Scotland voted leave compared to 1.6 million for remain.
 

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With all the likelihood of us leaving with no deal in place, what can a future Government do.

As I see it.

  • Britain will be able to Re- Nationalise our 'public services' (Water, Electricity ,Gas )
  • Public Transport (Busses and Trains)
  • Support our Industry (Steel and Manufacturing)
  • Tax Corporations that claim to make no profit in the UK (Starbucks, McD, KFC etc.)
Anything else members can think of?
I'm not seeing any big upsides there tbh.
That's the reason for this thread, what positives can we manage to envisage are possible given that 'thewillofthepeople' seems unstoppable.

This is not a thread for arguing against the inevitable but for finding things that will be possible once we've thrown off the oppression that we've suffered for 40 years (since 1979)
What oppression are you talking about?

As already stated all of those things could be done now (although it's debatable whether all would be wise) - maybe you should list (as you see it), the possible benefits that could only happen after Brexit, before the thread stagnates into what we already have on the forum.
 

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That's the odd thing. The day after I took German citizenship I was the same person as the day before. Didn't feel any more German or less British.
I think some people will be going on nostalgically about the EU referendum for decades. People like their stories.

There will be other people who don't feel any differently. There will be other people, many of them on these boards who will feel differently the day after, but not in the sense originally talked about in the thread.
 
If you talk to people on the street, they perceive it to be somehow tied up to the EU and a changing world.

I know you're very proud of your Scottish heritage, but there's no need to invoke the idea of Englishness gratuitously. All four parts of the UK had sizeable numbers of people that voted for brexit. Some parts had a majority for brexit overall, also Wales, others not. If you want to get into that game, how come if Scotland was way behind Gibraltar in terms of percentages that voted to remain? A million people in Scotland voted leave compared to 1.6 million for remain.
Personally I think @cookiemonster has a point here, even though I'm English. The Gibraltar/Scotland difference is not surprising when you look at where they are: Scotland's media influences for the last 40 years were predominantly English, whereas Gibraltar has changed and become more diverse, more European, and is more aware that it is a small rock on the Spanish coast and needs the EU to survive.
 

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Personally I think @cookiemonster has a point here, even though I'm English. The Gibraltar/Scotland difference is not surprising when you look at where they are: Scotland's media influences for the last 40 years were predominantly English, whereas Gibraltar has changed and become more diverse, more European, and is more aware that it is a small rock on the Spanish coast and needs the EU to survive.
It's not really helpful. The idea of 'Englishness' and more specifically problems of England (whatever that is) he is going on about as usually talked about is parts of the home counties (doesn't really include much of London), and a band of land stretching from norfolk and suffolk to Shropshire and Cheshire down to Herefordshire and bits of the South West. There are urban exclusions to this. There are other urban areas particularly north of this which also have a lot of ideas around identity, but not that of Englishness, more class.

And even then talk about identity around high streets, that one gets even more interesting where ever you are.
 
I can't really think of any. Everything I can think of is possible now, the only thing that isn't is protectionism of industries like steel, however there are creative ways around that. Perhaps a shortage of foreign workers will transform how companies view zero hour contracts but again, any government can introduce legislation to deal with that being in or out of the EU makes no odds.

I suppose most people are thinking of benefit claims, housing shortages, pressure on schools and local services, asylum seekers etc.... but not much of this has any direct link with the EU and can all be dealt with by a government with the will, we just haven't had one.
 
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