Potential Benefits of leaving the EU

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I think those people probably know that. Just a once in a lifetime opportunity never to be repeated before or since for their instructions to be carried out by the politicians. And if they aren't, a lot of people know the politicians were never going to do it anyway.
Yep so like I say it opens the door to us having a real left wing Socialist government, something I thought we had lost the chance of. Let's have a Government of the people, by the people instead of 'career politicians' running the country down for their own agenda/profit.

Oh and BTW I don't think the Labour Party are capable of delivering this but maybe the 'Greens' will start to look more attractive.
 
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before the thread stagnates into what we already have on the forum
This thread will only stagnate if people use it to reiterate their views on leaving and I don't think anyone will prevent that. :cursing:

What we need to do is use this opportunity to change the way the country is ruled and then maybe we can truly join Europe and build a world for the next generations to prosper.
 
This thread will only stagnate if people use it to reiterate their views on leaving and I don't think anyone will prevent that. :cursing:

What we need to do is use this opportunity to change the way the country is ruled and then maybe we can truly join Europe and build a world for the next generations to prosper.
I've wondered if the result, long term could be a better, more open and enlightened (r)UK with a better system of government that has learned from the experience.

For that to happen though it needs to go through the dark short term future first.
 

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IF the U.K. really leaves the EU, I don't think the EU will be keen to let you back in as , to be fair, the U.K. has always caused problems within the EU by not entirely accepting to be a full member. In the 60's, De Gaulles was already forecasting all this which is why he said a firm "No" when Britain started knocking on the door. Time proved him right.
 
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IF the U.K. really leaves the EU, I don't think the EU will be keen to let you back in as , to be fair, the U.K. has always caused problems within the EU by not entirely accepting to be a full member. In the 60's, De Gaulles was already forecasting all this which is why he said a firm "No" when Britain started knocking on the door. Time proved him right.
He was quite happy to live here when the Germans invaded his country though.
 

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IF the U.K. really leaves the EU, I don't think the EU will be keen to let you back in as , to be fair, the U.K. has always caused problems within the EU by not entirely accepting to be a full member. In the 60's, De Gaulles was already forecasting all this which is why he said a firm "No" when Britain started knocking on the door. Time proved him right.
I think you're right. It's not uncommon to see/hear speculation that the UK would soon be banging on the EUs door having experienced Brexit in full. I don't believe we'd get back in in my lifetime, whether that be from a reluctance of the EU or the resistance of the UK I don't know, but I think once we were out it'd be for a generation at least.
 
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Exactly and that is why he understood the way the British think , i.e.: islanders and closer to the U.S. His time in London was a good education on how the British mind works.
Whereas we all know how the 'cheese eating surrender monkies' think. :whistle:
 
Exactly and that is why he understood the way the British think , i.e.: islanders and closer to the U.S. His time in London was a good education on how the British mind works.
There is some truth in this. Britain's outlook is caught between the US and the continent and influenced heavily by it's own imperial past. Brexit is less about things being better but an ideology, a sense of identity but it's no longer one which is widely shared and whilst its confidence is admirable its outcome looks like being far less so.
 
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IF the U.K. really leaves the EU, I don't think the EU will be keen to let you back in as , to be fair, the U.K. has always caused problems within the EU by not entirely accepting to be a full member. In the 60's, De Gaulles was already forecasting all this which is why he said a firm "No" when Britain started knocking on the door. Time proved him right.
De Gaulles was a coward though. :cursing:
 

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There is some truth in this. Britain's outlook is caught between the US and the continent and influenced heavily by it's own imperial past. Brexit is less about things being better but an ideology, a sense of identity but it's no longer one which is widely shared and whilst its confidence is admirable its outcome looks like being far less so.
The outlook yeah.

The stuff about De Gaulle and how he had some kind of special insight I think is total cobblers. The reality is the UK, whatever you think of that tried to apply to what later became the EU multiple times and De Gaulle was a bigoted one many wrecking machine, understandably born of a time long, long ago. Many people think that De Gaulle was a nuisance and things could have turned out differently. If you look at the history of the EU with it's personalities over the years and fits and spurts of action and reaction to things, I don't think this is an unreasonable viewpoint at all.
 

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I think you're right. It's not uncommon to see/hear speculation that the UK would soon be banging on the EUs door having experienced Brexit in full. I don't believe we'd get back in in my lifetime, whether that be from a reluctance of the EU or the resistance of the UK I don't know, but I think once we were out it'd be for a generation at least.
The demographics is overwhelmingly on the side of rejoining. It's that those demographics aren't reflected in wealth, voting, lobbying or activism - yet. Or our great system of government. Rejoining might take many years itself as a process though, even after a politician says they want to come back.
 
The outlook yeah.

The stuff about De Gaulle and how he had some kind of special insight I think is total cobblers. The reality is the UK, whatever you think of that tried to apply to what later became the EU multiple times and De Gaulle was a bigoted one many wrecking machine, understandably born of a time long, long ago. Many people think that De Gaulle was a nuisance and things could have turned out differently. If you look at the history of the EU with it's personalities over the years and fits and spurts of action and reaction to things, I don't think this is an unreasonable viewpoint at all.
I did say some truth. I refrained from any analysis of De Gaulle for the sake of our Rhyl correspondent.
 
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