So we going to have election.

newfhouse

Elitist lefty
Location
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Why do you think so many people continue to vote Conservative despite all the stuff about them being liars, the falsehoods etc etc?
I think this is relatively straightforward. Those that always have voted Con do so largely because they believe it is in their direct financial interest to do so, and they are often right to think that.

More interesting is why people who will be disadvantaged are persuadable to do so. I think it is part of the same change that has poisoned the words socialist, liberal, social justice and human rights. Throw in some aspirational marketing and a dose of scapegoating ’others’ and there’s part of your answer.

I wish I knew how to push the fetid flood back but I don’t. Just keep bailing I suppose, one bucket at a time.
 

Salty seadog

Space Cadet...(3rd Class...)
 

nickyboy

Norven Mankey
Sigh.

You're not broadening, you're JAQing.
FWIW, I'm not asking a question cos I don't know the answer. As always, CC Current Affairs is left of centric and not representative of the wider voting public so I thought it would be interesting to hear from the CC massive why they thought that the Conservatives are, despite everything, so popular.

There are a host of reasons but the big one is lack of trust in Labour generally and Corbyn in particular to effectively manage the UK. Stick on top the fact that Labour have failed to accurately position themsleves on Brexit and we are are where we are.
 

mudsticks

Über Member
The question you need to ask yourself is, given the above, why will many millions of UK citizens vote for the Conservative party in the forthcoming GE?
Conservative voters aren't stupid, certainly no more stupid than those who vote for other parties. They know all these lies, falsehoods, misrepresentations. Yet they still vote for the Conservatives. Why is that?

Clever people here on CC, just like the clever people throughout the land, focus on what a liar Johnson is, all the falsehoods of the Conservative party. But they never focus on the real issue which is why people still vote for them despite this
Instead of making us play guessing games why don't you enlighten us then ??

Being nice, liberal, slightly left leaning peoples, we're probably all trying not to have bad thoughts about Tory voters, such as.

"They're only interested in themselves"

"Tory voters haven't been paying any attention, to government policies and their overall effects on our country"

"These people are too easily swayed by a clearly biased right wing media"

"They'd rather ally themselves with the 'super rich' because they hope to join them one day, rather than be realistic about their true prospects"

They still believe in 'trickle down' economics, even though this theory has been disproven multiple times.

Tory voters believe that just by endlessly repeating "Let's get Brexit done"
That somehow makes it a possible, and beneficial thing to do??

They are convinced that Jezza will have everyone driving Morris Marinas, and there'll be no more soft toilet paper, and we will all be forced to use Izal.

"Tory voters don't care about the people who have died and suffered harm under Tory policies"


Is it any of the above, or have we missed something more fundamental ??
 

StuAff

Silencing his legs regularly
Location
Portsmouth
From The Times today. My bold.....
"Hatred of Johnson tends to blind his many critics to the power of the man’s appeal. His capacity for cheering up supporters and potential supporters, even when they know he is peddling a piece of hokum, is perhaps the single best weapon the troubled Tories have in their depleted armoury.

A few weeks ago at the Tory party conference I was among a bunch of journalists observing the Boris effect at a drinks reception for activists. In anticipation of his arrival, they were smiling like mad. They laughed at every line of his erratic remarks and then jostled for selfies.

That appeal goes way beyond the narrow confines of Tory members, though. In David Dimbleby’s fascinating BBC Panorama film on Wednesday (How Brexit’s Changed Britain) Lisa Thomas, a hairdresser in Merthyr Tydfil, said that she liked Johnson being a liar because it proves he is “human”. “He’s got balls of steel,” she said. “And he’s willing to do what is needed for this country.”
Yes folks, lying to people is not, repeat, not appalling contemptuous behaviour, but a positive virtue, at least when it's a lie told by Johnson or Trump or someone of their ilk.

Some of the bits of him talking in the last few days has been reminiscent of Rowley Birkin. Only less coherent, and not at all funny.

Saw Eddie Izzard's show on Saturday night…said Johnson et al shouldn't be called populists. 'It's not going to work, because humanity cannot work if we try that. They're called populist, but they all have power through a minority vote, so by definition that makes them the "unpopulists". The "simplistics" is a better name because all they have is to just hate a group of people and build a wall or leave Europe, whatever it is. I'm going to fight that. We have to have a fair world'.
 

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Saw Eddie Izzard's show on Saturday night…said Johnson et al shouldn't be called populists. 'It's not going to work, because humanity cannot work if we try that. They're called populist, but they all have power through a minority vote, so by definition that makes them the "unpopulists". The "simplistics" is a better name because all they have is to just hate a group of people and build a wall or leave Europe, whatever it is. I'm going to fight that. We have to have a fair world'.
This isn't as unusual as people think. The National Socialist party didn't have an outright majority in 1932, but the other parties needed to get their support, which was why Hitler was made chancellor.
 

Diogenes

brr, summer's over
Anyhoo, looks like the Labour Party are planning ahead -

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/job-share-plan-for-labour-co-leaders-to-succeed-jeremy-corbyn-if-he-loses-general-election_uk_5dc591cce4b0fcfb7f658a2d

Jeremy Corbyn could be succeeded by two “co-leaders” if he loses the general election, HuffPost UK has learned. Under a confidential plan backed by senior party figures, the new job-share would feature one MP from a Leave-backing town and the other from a Remain-backing big city. The aim would be to unite not just the party but also represent the country’s disparate areas, while underscoring Labour’s progressive values on shared roles in the workplace.
 

Hitchington

Lovely stuff
Location
That London
All brainwashed.
You actually don't give a shite about racism do you? You are just weaponising allegations of anti-Semitism because of your hatred of Jeremy Corbyn. Let's see your record* of fighting racism and anti-Semitism and we'll compare it to Jeremy Corbyn's. Until you do that, STFU.

*re-hashing the same old anti-JC memes on CC doesn't count
 
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