The Independent Group

Discussion in 'News and Current Affairs' started by Diogenes, 20 Feb 2019.

  1. Diogenes

    Diogenes Opinions, schminions

    As most will have noticed, 8 Labour MPs and 3 Tories have left their parties and formed what they're calling The Independent Group. All of them are taking flak for their decision from every side, but initial polling shows there is public support for a centrist party.

    I'm a big supporter of Independent MPs. I think they can be more democratic and representative than the candidates put forward by the Parties. I firmly believe that an independent MP will put his constituent's interests first, more so than a Party MP who will put the Party first almost every time. The eternal contradiction is the Party machine provides the funding, infrastructure and manpower to run election campaigns, especially at General Elections where the big parties dominate the media. Perhaps this "Independent Group" is a way around this.

    What say CCers? Would you vote for a pro-Remain Independent Candidate or are they a distraction from serious politics and the real fight between Tories and Labour?
     
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  2. sheddy

    sheddy Guru

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    Yes - I always vote for the underdog.
     
  3. lane

    lane Über Member

    I'm not sure they will be independent as such but rather an embryonic poliical party with all that entails. More likely to represent me than the two main parties currently do.
     
  4. Reiver

    Reiver Ribbit, Ribbit.

    Don't think either of the two main parties could represent me less - so whoever this breakaway group is (and I know little about them) are more than likely to be better - come to think of it screaming lord such and the monster raving looneys would be better than the labour conservative set ups at the moment.
     
  5. SteveF

    SteveF Veteran

    I'm a bit of a political orphan at the moment so very interested to see how this pans out
     
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  6. Flying_Monkey

    Flying_Monkey Toll Collector on the Road to Nowhere

    This is possibly the least inspiring political rebellion ever.
     
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  7. Flying_Monkey

    Flying_Monkey Toll Collector on the Road to Nowhere

    I know that you can't directly compare across time, but the fate of the SDP defectors is not going to inspire confidence in the IG:
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  8. meta lon

    meta lon Guru

    I think it will be a hiding to nothing, but good luck to them.

    Come election time it will be cons v labs
     
  9. Rusty Nails

    Rusty Nails We remember

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    The fate of the Labour defectors at least was unlikely to be good anyway come selection for the next election, with Momentum having so much influence in many constituencies. They have nothing to lose.
     
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  10. robjh

    robjh Legendary Member

    I wish them well but fear that in the longer term they will sink without trace, because of (1) FPTP which dooms start-up parties in the UK, as it did the SDP, and (2) listening carefully to them it is hard to discern much that unites them other than opposition to Brexit and despair at/rejection by their old parties. The SDP at least looked like a proper (potential) party from day 1.

    That said, I would like to think they could do something to shake up the current moribund party machines that are driving us ever closer to disaster at the end of March, but I am not sure that even there there is much strategy - the Tory defectors could end up strengthening the grip of the ERG rather than breaking it.
     
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  11. OP
    OP
    Diogenes

    Diogenes Opinions, schminions

    Maybe it's not what they do, but what Labour and the Tories do.
     
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  12. FishFright

    FishFright More wheels than sense

    I'm interested in who's funding this little adventure but have little interest in anything they say before they go crawling to whatever party the go crawling to when it grinds to an embarrassing halt
     
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  13. cuberider

    cuberider Über Member

    I suspect most of them will lose at the next election, and there is a strong arguement that by elections should be called now.
     
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  14. Rusty Nails

    Rusty Nails We remember

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    Is that a moral argument or a legal one?

    If it's a moral argument, they're politicians so no chance of winning that one.
     
  15. deptfordmarmoset

    deptfordmarmoset Full time tea drinker

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    CAMAERG - no, it's not some clandestine Welsh movement, it stands for Coalition Against May And ERG. I don't see what TIG could do that a simple coalition couldn't do far better.
     
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