The Post-Brexit Thread

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Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
It'll be a shame to see this particular thread drift down the board and I'm slowly trying to wean myself off the NACA. Before Brexit, my only visits were only ever in an official capacity.

But occasionally a story comes along that I have to highlight. And here it is!

I've mentioned in another thread (hell, I killed it stone dead) that I work for a company that specialises in data protection, specifically helping companies understand how much unstructured data they have and whether it contains anything that would cause problems either in terms of retention, legal exposure and risk if hacked. Advert over.

I'm on the tech rather than the business side, but I do get to work with a few specialists and lawyers who have significant rep in the business. And just to close down he enviable bloody-EU-ridiculous-GDPR-website-popups reposts, that is such an insignificant element of GDPR, and not even unique to GDPR, that we can give that a damn-good ignoring.

Make your point Bollo!

OK - new reaches us that Leave.eu and backer Arron Banks' insurance firms have lost their appeals against fines imposed by the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) for illegally sharing data between Banks' companies and the leave campaign.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/14/leaveeu-donor-arron-banks-loses-data-breach-appeal

(Guardian, but reportage and not opinion. Couldn't find the story in the Mail)

Now generally I'm fan of the way the ICO does its business, with an emphasis on advice and guidance rather than the heavy hand of financial penalties. If you're running a one-person e-commerce site or even a cycling forum, you're really not going to be a data protection expert, even though you'll be by default your company's DPO.

But in this case I think the fines (£150,000 for Leave.eu and 10's of grand for Bank's firms) don't really fit the crime. Ultimately Banks' firms trade data, and it seems they can't be trusted with data. If you can't be trusted with your business' key asset then you shouldn't be running the business. Using it for political ends is also deeply sinister.

While the ICO can levy large fines, they're generally small beer compared to the value of the target company (€50m for Google - I'll get my wallet). My company does most of its business in the US because, despite what many Brexiters believe about the uniquely EUyness of GDPR, things get much more litigious in the US, especially now that NY and California have introduced similar data privacy laws. Our biggest client was looking at fines totalling $700m, which could easily have included jail time for some execs.

This is important beyond the immediate story because data deregulation is something that our current government's brains-trust (Cummings, Sunak, the Britannia Unchained crew) believe is a very good thing. Personal data is the new frontier of exploitation in the same way the 19th century exploited labour. The people involved in the Cambridge Analytica scandal don't believe it was a scandal at all but a trial run for their vision of the future.
 

Craig the cyclist

Well-Known Member
There are loads of Brexit threads, lots with disingenuous titles and mostly designed for Remainers to point out there are no benefits.

So, if we make a few of assumptions which are quite sound:
1. We aren't going to rejoin in the next, let's just say 10 years
2. We have definitely left, with the deal we have
3. We are never going to change anyone's mind about how they should of or did vote
4. We aren't all going to die next week

Now then, what is required for society to begin to heal and move on? Watching this is like observing a hugely extended grief process, where the grieving party just can't find any possible way of moving on. Do we need some kind of national grief counselling process?

How can we do it? It strikes me that the absolute hatred from some people will be more damaging to future generations than the act of leaving the EU itself!
 

deptfordmarmoset

Full time tea drinker
Location
Armonmy Way
Should we start a new thread about how many Brexit threads there are...?
 

MichaelW2

Veteran
We can't move on until we work out where we are. Companies who trade with Europe don't know. They are moving production lines into EU countries to simplify. Dockers in Anglesea and modern language students dont know where they stand. Has the Irish land bridge to France been bypassed? What visas and conditions do UK students need for work within the EU?
Moving On is a Blairesque way of leaving casualties on the ground whilst you dash home for tea and medals. Not a good look.
 
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