The Ultimate Jeremy Corbyn Thread

Kajjal

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So now the recriminations and infighting begin.
Corbyn instead of saying what he wants to do to put things right decided to go on the attack saying the Panorama people came along with "predetermined position" before the programme was aired and it contained "many inaccuracies". He spouts the same old, same old guff “Antisemitism is a poison, it is vile, it is wrong,” and “It is a poison in our society and any other society … It is not acceptable in any form.” Trouble is he's said it so many times whilst doing nothing effective that nobody believes him any more.
Diane Abbott called on Watson to “consider your position”, while John McDonnell, shadow chancellor, criticised Mr Watson for “using the media” to attack Corbyn ally Jennie Formby, when “he knows she’s undergoing chemotherapy”.
In opposing his boss Watson knows exactly what he's doing but we'll just have to see how it all pans out. I wonder if he'll be phased by being called a "f*****g disgrace" by comrade Len?
This internal conflict has been going on for years now within Labour. The problem is Watson and his faction only now have criticism and smears to offer. Even to the point of deliberately briefing against Labour in the last general election and continuing in that vein ever since. This is stopping the party working fully on opposing the government and directly impacting the lives of the poorest and most vulnerable Labour was formed to represent. Watson would not survive a leadership contest and should have followed the example set by Cooper, Benn etc. who are doing the difficult, tough work real politics is about.
 

Cycleops

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This internal conflict has been going on for years now within Labour. The problem is Watson and his faction only now have criticism and smears to offer. Even to the point of deliberately briefing against Labour in the last general election and continuing in that vein ever since. This is stopping the party working fully on opposing the government and directly impacting the lives of the poorest and most vulnerable Labour was formed to represent. Watson would not survive a leadership contest and should have followed the example set by Cooper, Benn etc. who are doing the difficult, tough work real politics is about.
So why hasn't he been sacked by Jezza and replaced?
 
Even if you thought the Panorama programme was reaching a bit, the response of the high command has been catastrophic and looks like its going to get worse. They've actually openly bullied and defamed the whistleblowers who appeared on the programme, it's a scale of ineptness that hasn't been seen before but worse it actually shows the true make up of those who make up the leaders party, a little glimpse of their true soul, breathtaking. Cock and balls on the next election paper I think.
 

Diogenes

brr, summer's over
More from the nasty party

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Dexter says Thomas Gardiner, Corbyn ally & head of the governance + legal
Had personal sign off on ALL anti-semitism complaints from 2018
De-authorised staff from advising on whether to suspend racists
Said a zero tolerance approach to antisemitism is"ridiculous" 3/5
Is it ridiculous to not tolerate racism?
 

Kajjal

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What is appalling are the extremists at both ends using this to promote their own political agenda enabling various types of intolerance without a care for the actual people this is affecting. All they do is criticise and provide poisonous rhetoric never explaining how to de escalate, bring people back together and resolve the situation. Instead continually pouring fuel on the fire.
 

Diogenes

brr, summer's over
What is appalling are the extremists at both ends using this to promote their own political agenda enabling various types of intolerance without a care for the actual people this is affecting. All they do is criticise and provide poisonous rhetoric never explaining how to de escalate, bring people back together and resolve the situation. Instead continually pouring fuel on the fire.
It's very easy to de-escalate.

1) Expel anyone who has said racist things, supported others who are racist or excused racism. None of this "Ah but, Israel" nonsense.
2) Fire the staff who failed to act
3) Remove the whip and de-select any MP who has done any of the above.
4) Clear out the "leadership" who have allowed Labour to be dragged into the gutter like this.
5) Apologise and set up clear rules to ensure this cannot happen again.
 

Kajjal

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It's very easy to de-escalate.

1) Expel anyone who has said racist things, supported others who are racist or excused racism. None of this "Ah but, Israel" nonsense.
2) Fire the staff who failed to act
3) Remove the whip and de-select any MP who has done any of the above.
4) Clear out the "leadership" who have allowed Labour to be dragged into the gutter like this.
5) Apologise and set up clear rules to ensure this cannot happen again.
I don’t think you appreciate what you have just suggested and it’s historical context.
 

Rusty Nails

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No one said EVERYTHING is down to Israel, did they? But what the Israeli government is responsible for is disinformation, propaganda and the ability to effectively pull the wool over the eyes of a significant section of the British media.
Is that where Seamus Milne models his tactics on?

There is most likely some attempt to discredit Labour in all these accusations, but that task is made easier when Labour keeps supplying the ammunition.

As we have seen with this whole furore it is easy to throw accusations around, both those of anti-semitism and an Israeli plot, but much more difficult to prove anything conclusively.

I await the EHRC investigation and report for a more balanced commentary.
 
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Duffy

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No one said EVERYTHING is down to Israel, did they? But what the Israeli government is responsible for is disinformation, propaganda and the ability to effectively pull the wool over the eyes of a significant section of the British media.
And a large number of former employees of the Labour Party

OMG their good!!
 
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theclaud

theclaud

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I am not saying it is impossible for these officials to have a history of anti-Corbyn leanings, but I really would despair for the journalistic credibility of the BBC if they had not investigated that first before choosing them for the programme.
Well, quite... I don't recognise some of the chosen interviewees, but they include Iain McNicol, Ella Rose, Adam Langleben and that half-witted, spineless spod that you can actually watch upthread helping Joan Ryan to cook up false accusations against members. The latter three appear in teary montages of testimony, with no mention of who they are. Which would indicate not that the BBC didn't know who they were, but that it suited the purpose of the documentary not to say. Frankly, your studied innocence on the subject is wearisome.
 

Diogenes

brr, summer's over

Rusty Nails

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Well, quite... I don't recognise some of the chosen interviewees, but they include Iain McNicol, Ella Rose, Adam Langleben and that half-witted, spineless spod that you can actually watch upthread helping Joan Ryan to cook up false accusations against members. The latter three appear in teary montages of testimony, with no mention of who they are. Which would indicate not that the BBC didn't know who they were, but that it suited the purpose of the documentary not to say. Frankly, your studied innocence on the subject is wearisome.
Whereas I am in awe of your unbiased, balanced stance.
 
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