The Ultimate Jeremy Corbyn Thread

SkipdiverJohn

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We have.

Which ones? All of them?

Dead, dying and long term sick people are a drain on the country’s finances, quite apart from any ethical considerations.
We have technically left, but not fully left the influence of the EU. The problem is the remaining transition period.

Yes, I would pretty much ditch all EU-influenced regulations in the UK, and if needed at all, would replace them with bare-bones domestic ones.

Dead people are dead, end of story. The coronavirus will have finished off a lot of long-term sick people that were a heavy burden on the NHS and did not work or pay tax. I reckon those will vastly outweigh any long-term effects suffered by a small minority of coronavirus survivors. The overall population will likely be healthier after the virus has petered out than before it took hold.
 

newfhouse

Regressive elitist lefty
We have technically left, but not fully left the influence of the EU. The problem is the remaining transition period.
What is it you’d like to do that you can’t wait another six weeks for?

Yes, I would pretty much ditch all EU-influenced regulations in the UK, and if needed at all, would replace them with bare-bones domestic ones.
So not based on merit or careful consideration then. How about the ones that the U.K. has formulated and promoted that were then adopted by the EU?

Dead people are dead, end of story. The coronavirus will have finished off a lot of long-term sick people that were a heavy burden on the NHS and did not work or pay tax. I reckon those will vastly outweigh any long-term effects suffered by a small minority of coronavirus survivors. The overall population will likely be healthier after the virus has petered out than before it took hold.
Ah, survival of the economically viable. That’s nice.
 

SkipdiverJohn

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What is it you’d like to do that you can’t wait another six weeks for?


So not based on merit or careful consideration then. How about the ones that the U.K. has formulated and promoted that were then adopted by the EU?


Ah, survival of the economically viable. That’s nice.
Another six weeks of EU nonsense is tolerable provided Boris isn't stupid enough to consider re-signing up to some of the crap we voted to ditch. We can be far more competitive if we don't shackle ourselves to EU standards of inefficiency. It ties them up in their own red tape and leaves us free to undercut them in lower business costs. Result we take business away from the EU and into the UK as ultimately money talks.

We need to remove any refences to the EU, EU standards, or ECJ in our domestic legislation. The EU should have absolutely zero legal influence on any aspect of how we choose to operate as a country in government, economic, or business matters.

Ultimately, like it or not, you don't have wealthy countries that are full of sick unproductive people. You can choose to put whatever spin you want on that but welfare & health systems are only ever sustainable all the time the majority of people don't rely on them continuously.
Most people occasionally become ill and most occasionally lose their jobs, which the system can manage to support for short periods. What it can't do is sustain a large permanent burden of people who take out more than they pay in. Unless you are willing to pay Scandinavian levels of tax, which the British public has repeatedly shown they are not going to vote for, the most recently when Corbyn got his arse kicked.
 

newfhouse

Regressive elitist lefty
some of the crap we voted to ditch
Your vote said nothing about ditching anything except EU membership.

you don't have wealthy countries that are full of sick unproductive people.
What do you mean by full? And wealthy?

What it can't do is sustain a large permanent burden of people who take out more than they pay in.
Are you aware that the state doesn’t solely rely on income tax to fund its services?
 
We have technically left, but not fully left the influence of the EU. The problem is the remaining transition period.

Yes, I would pretty much ditch all EU-influenced regulations in the UK, and if needed at all, would replace them with bare-bones domestic ones.

Dead people are dead, end of story. The coronavirus will have finished off a lot of long-term sick people that were a heavy burden on the NHS and did not work or pay tax. I reckon those will vastly outweigh any long-term effects suffered by a small minority of coronavirus survivors. The overall population will likely be healthier after the virus has petered out than before it took hold.
Do you work hard at this sort of unpleasant rubbish for effect on an internet forum, or does it come naturally?

What's your viewpoint on Soylent Green?
 

newfhouse

Regressive elitist lefty
Do you work hard at this sort of unpleasant rubbish for effect on an internet forum, or does it come naturally?

What's your viewpoint on Soylent Green?
His proposal may be more modest.
 
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SkipdiverJohn

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Do you work hard at this sort of unpleasant rubbish for effect on an internet forum, or does it come naturally?
Was there something factually incorrect in my statement then, about the type of patient most likely to die from the virus? Like it or not, nasty respiratory infections like coronavirus do tend to finish off people who already have a load of stuff wrong with them. It happens all the time, with regular flu and pneumonia. It's a normal and predictable occurrence. This year we'll have the usual winter illnesses plus the coronavirus.
 
Was there something factually incorrect in my statement then, about the type of patient most likely to die from the virus? Like it or not, nasty respiratory infections like coronavirus do tend to finish off people who already have a load of stuff wrong with them. It happens all the time, with regular flu and pneumonia. It's a normal and predictable occurrence. This year we'll have the usual winter illnesses plus the coronavirus.
We all know the facts about older, more vulnerable people being more likely to die from Covid, but you have such a nice way of framing them to fit in with your ideas of the steps the government should take, or not take.
 

classic33

Legendary Member
Was there something factually incorrect in my statement then, about the type of patient most likely to die from the virus? Like it or not, nasty respiratory infections like coronavirus do tend to finish off people who already have a load of stuff wrong with them. It happens all the time, with regular flu and pneumonia. It's a normal and predictable occurrence. This year we'll have the usual winter illnesses plus the coronavirus.
You've previously said that the current situation is a manufactured one. Done with the intention of denying you, and others like you, their "economic activity"(going to the pub). Are you now accepting that it's real.

I've a few underlying long-term conditions, but I've never had flu. Bad colds, but never flu. Never had a flu jab either, nor will I, ever. So far "regular flu and pneumonia" haven't seen me off.
 

Unkraut

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The coronavirus will have finished off a lot of long-term sick people that were a heavy burden on the NHS and did not work or pay tax. I reckon those will vastly outweigh any long-term effects suffered by a small minority of coronavirus survivors. The overall population will likely be healthier after the virus has petered out than before it took hold.
My longer keep fit route takes in a disused railway line, at one point there is the remains of a station. So I looked up its history. What stuck in my mind was the memory of a man who as a boy in 1940 who saw the inmates of the local psychiatric hospital being put on a train to be taken away there. Some of them, who were not so out of it as not to know what was going to happen to them, had nose bleeds because of the stress. The man had never forgotten the dreadful sight.

The Jewish cemetery, last used in 1940 (?), is behind the old station.

The reason they were being taken away was because they were considered Untermenschen - subhuman, not worth keeping alive, a burden, unproductive, didn't contribute anything to the supposed master race.

Our parents and grandparents generation sacrificed hundreds of thousands of lives, all of the country's accumulated wealth, saw a quarter of its housing stock destroyed or damaged by bombing, lost its empire and position in the world, and endured real austerity for quite a while after the conflict in order that the regime propagating such disgusting ideas would be finally destroyed.

Not only so, but the elderly generation who are worst affected by covid are those who by majority paid into the system for over 45 years. They created it. That's hardly being a burden.

I know if and when the NHS is overloaded with covid patients difficult decisions will have to be made between keeping very old people alive a bit longer and saving say parents with children.

Now you might not have thought just how your post quoted above comes across, but I cannot see much difference between the mentality underlying it, which sadly is not so uncommon in Britain at the moment (Cummings, Farage), and the ideas propagated by the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
 

winjim

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I've mentioned this before but from the beginning of the pandemic there's been this narrative that somehow the elderly and those with preexisting conditions are expendable when really we should regard them as vulnerable. The economic argument for just letting them die may or may not be sound, I don't know and frankly I don't care because it's not something we should even have to contemplate.

It is telling that those who are willing to inflict massive economic damage on the country in the name of some vague notion of sovereignty also suggest that we avoid economic damage by just letting thousands of the population die. And those who are keen to invoke images of the second world war when justifying their politics are all too happy it seems to let the last generation who actually fought in the war succumb to a deadly virus.

All this is only tangentially related to Corbyn I suppose but worthy of comment.
 
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