UK mulls plain cigarette packs to cut smoking

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Ludwig

Hopeless romantic
Location
Lissingdown
The government is planning to have cigarettes sold in plain packets. Is this going to make any difference and will it give cigarettes an aura and a minimalistic cool. Isn't it time we left smokers alone to enjoy their habit as long as it doesn't affect non smokers. What would a trip to Paris be if it wasn't for that wonderful smell of that French tobacco as you arive at the Gar du Nord.
Isn't junk food far more of a health problem and no one is suggesting that crisps, biscuits and cake should be sold in plain packets.
 
I'm astounded that anyone still smokes when a pack of twenty costs seven and a half quid! I'm glad I gave up when I did.
 

Rickshaw Phil

Overconfidentii Vulgaris
Moderator
Not being a smoker myself I may be missing something obvious but wouldn't plain packaging make it easier for counterfeiters? Wouldn't that cause more issues than it solves?
 

zimzum42

Legendary Member
Won't affect me, haven't bought UK fags for years now, just make sure I buy a few cartons every time I travel. Costs me about 2-3 quid a pack...
 

Ashtrayhead

Über Member
Location
Belvedere, Kent.
It shows how out of touch and arrogant this totalitarian government has become. Smokers don't buy fags because of a nice shiny packet, they buy them because of the taste. Like zimzum, I get mine abroad or from my local entrepreneur who sells them out of the back of his white van. Starve the beast. They hate me, so they can't have my money.

Unfortunately it's drinkers and 'fatties' who are next in the firing line. We've already had the minimum pricing announced and now they're using the same anti-tobacco template to go after the 'obese'. When I see the pasty, fat-faced, wobbly jowled politicians and 'experts' who come up with these nannying diktats, I wonder how on earth they manage to keep a straight face as they lecture us on what we can and can't put in our bodies.
 
It shows how out of touch and arrogant this totalitarian government has become. Smokers don't buy fags because of a nice shiny packet, they buy them because of the taste. Like zimzum, I get mine abroad or from my local entrepreneur who sells them out of the back of his white van. Starve the beast. They hate me, so they can't have my money.

Unfortunately it's drinkers and 'fatties' who are next in the firing line. We've already had the minimum pricing announced and now they're using the same anti-tobacco template to go after the 'obese'. When I see the pasty, fat-faced, wobbly jowled politicians and 'experts' who come up with these nannying diktats, I wonder how on earth they manage to keep a straight face as they lecture us on what we can and can't put in our bodies.
Jeebus. Just coz you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

Oh, and smokers smoke, not because they like the taste, but because they are addicted.
 

benb

Evidence based cyclist
Location
Epsom
Read this. Seems odd that on the one hand the tobacco companies are saying that switching to plain packaging won't make any difference to smoking uptake, but at the same time claiming it will force small retailers under. Which is it?
 

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
The government is planning to have cigarettes sold in plain packets. Is this going to make any difference and will it give cigarettes an aura and a minimalistic cool. Isn't it time we left smokers alone to enjoy their habit as long as it doesn't affect non smokers. What would a trip to Paris be if it wasn't for that wonderful smell of that French tobacco as you arive at the Gar du Nord.
Isn't junk food far more of a health problem and no one is suggesting that crisps, biscuits and cake should be sold in plain packets.
whatever the delights of Gauloises a trip to Paris is highly unlikely to be spiced by the smell of French tobacco - cigarette smoking is now less in evidence in Paris than it is in London, and that's saying something.

It's an interesting business, this most dirigiste of Governments aiming to emulate successive Australian government It might be fluff - Lansley was all in favour eighteen months ago, but nothing's happened, and yet it might be that the visceral (or epicurean) distaste for smoking, combined with the sadness of eighty thousand deaths a year will move this government and those that follow it to effectively wipe out smoking in the UK. That's entirely possible - cigarette smoking in Australia is not simply declining - the decline is accelerating.

One of the interesting things about this government is that it doesn't listen to the self-appointed sirens of 'Conservatism'. Mark Littlewood's demented blogging hasn't shifted Lansley on this, any more than Tim Montgomerie's plea to shelve the destruction of the NHS. For all that we can smirk about it, Cameron's self-confidence has infected the entire government - if they think something is right, then it's going to happen. That, of course, is why gay marriage is going to happen and why the budget was such a dog's dinner, although in the latter instance I'm still convinced Cameron was watching Osborne screw up with a sly smile on his face. I think Cameron learnt the lesson of managing the Conservatives when he forced through women only shortlists - for all the screeching from the shires, the Tories don't really object to being let off a decision.

So I think that we will see tobacco further marginalised in this country, or even further marginalised, because there's so little public smoking these days that when I see someone with a ciggy it's almost a shock.
 

Ashtrayhead

Über Member
Location
Belvedere, Kent.
Jeebus. Just coz you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

Oh, and smokers smoke, not because they like the taste, but because they are addicted.

Even if they were addicted (which they're not, it's because they enjoy it) they still stick to the same brand because they like the taste. I've had the odd B&H, Silk Cut, Superking when I've been in a group outside a pub but always much prefer my (cheap) Marlboro.
 

benb

Evidence based cyclist
Location
Epsom
Even if they were addicted (which they're not, it's because they enjoy it)
The evidence does not support your opinion on this.
they still stick to the same brand because they like the taste. I've had the odd B&H, Silk Cut, Superking when I've been in a group outside a pub but always much prefer my (cheap) Marlboro.

They're not suggesting blanking the brand names, just making the packaging plain, and (presumably) making the brand names the same font.
 

Arch

Married to Night Train
Location
Salford, UK
I don't believe it'll make a difference. I don't think kids start smoking because they like the packets, they do it for rebellion and because their mates do. Once they're hooked, that's it, and they'll settle on whatever brand they like. I imagine most kids buy their cigs a few at a time off adults, or smoke whatever they can blag.

Of course, the companies have to claim the brand matters, otherwise they admit they've spent a fortune on branding to little or no effect...
 
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Gromit

Über Member
Location
York
I'm watching my mum slowly dying from all her years of smoking

I wouldn't care if they band the lot. If anyone saw what has happened to my mum's face it would put them off for life.
 
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