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Discussion in 'News and Current Affairs' started by Diogenes, 14 Jun 2019.

  1. Cycleops

    Cycleops Guru

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    How about this. Iran are now struggling under the weight of US sanctions which are severely restricting their options to earn foreign exchange.
    They think well if the US are are making things tough for us let's show the the world we too can show our muscle and make things difficult for everyone else.
    Notice the ships were not sunk but just damaged which you can see from how the mines were placed. So why? Had they chosen the Iranians could have destroyed them just as easily, that may have been seen as a step too far. As it is they are saying to the US and the rest of the world, look we can make things difficult for you if you want to make things difficult for us.
    It's a game of brinkmanship and Trump has rightly stepped back from it. Maybe the Iranians think this gives them a bargain chip, what happens next is anybody's guess.
     
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  2. Flying_Monkey

    Flying_Monkey Toll Collector on the Road to Nowhere

    We don't really know what actually happened today. Maybe Trump stepped back. But maybe the US military refused to carry out his orders (and then Trump retrospectively claimed credit for it). Maybe Trump didn't know anything about any of it (but... etc. etc.).
     
  3. Cycleops

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    Seriously? Knowing what we know about Trump I cant see him backing down if his mind was made up. No matter, the strikes weren't made so we can all be grateful.
     
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  4. Johnno260

    Johnno260 Über Member

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    It was reported Trump stepped back as it was estimated the US strikes would cause around 150 deaths, for an unmanned drone.
     
  5. Flying_Monkey

    Flying_Monkey Toll Collector on the Road to Nowhere

    Seriously - yes. Trump doesn't care as long as he can make it look like he's winning in some way. And, yes, I do think that it's possible the military disobeyed his order - there's even been some open discussion of this in senior military circles relating to what would happen if Trump ordered a nuclear strike.
     
  6. marinyork

    marinyork Resting in suspended Animation

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    Who knows what happened, but we've been here before with spy planes being shot down and a president getting drunk and ordering all sorts of things and then the version most believed is that the military decided to wait until he'd sobered up in the morning, at which point things were resolved.
     
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  7. OP
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    Diogenes

    Diogenes Opinions, schminions

    Iran summons UK ambassador in tanker seizure row

     
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  8. Pat "5mph"

    Pat "5mph" A kilogrammicaly challenged woman Moderator

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  9. Profpointy

    Profpointy Guru

    Back to the old days of piracy maybe
     
  10. Rusty Nails

    Rusty Nails We remember

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    Spoilsport.
     
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  11. C R

    C R Über Member

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    I am struggling to understand the legal basis for the boarding.
     
  12. Profpointy

    Profpointy Guru

    Quite - even if we are boycotting a particular country, enforcing a blockade by military action is quite another thing entirely.
    I dont' quite see why we've got a quarrel with Iran in any case. The Americans hate them for domestic reasons, but that doesn't mean we should.

    It may not quite be our idea of a liberal society, but it's more enlightened than a great many places. A year or two ago women were protesting that they were not allowed to watch football matches. Whilst we'd see that as pretty restrictive, it did strike me that things had come along quite a long way if such protests were tolerated, and it had at least got the stage it was a up for debate, and maybe even going in the right direction. Isolating Iran is only going to encourage hard liners and extremists, as anyone west-leaning would naturally be seen as supporting their enemies. A piratical seizure of one of their ships is toadying up to Trump far more than we should. We had this "support America right or wrong" (wrong as it turned out) with Blaire, and it was disastrous.
     
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  13. C R

    C R Über Member

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    The really sad thing in all of this is that the Iranian society, though not their government, is by far the most progressive and "western" like in the middle East, with the exception of Israel and perhaps Turkey.

    The breaking of the nuclear deal by the US is the second betrayal by the US in the last 20 years, handing again an excuse to the lunatics around Khamenei to tighten the grip on power.

    The first was after 2001, the reformist Khatami was in power, and facilitated the support of the Northern Alliance for the NATO forces in Afghanistan. Iran had been supporting the Northern Alliance since the arrival of the Taliban, while the west were wringing their hands about burkas and tacitly supporting the Taliban via Pakistan. Khatami even hinted at recognising Israel. And then the axis of evil speech happened. Khatami was pushed aside and in came Ahmadinejad. This was all in the news at the time, you can still read the news items in the BBC website.

    After the disastrous Ahmadinejad years another reformist, Rouhani, came in, negotiated the nuclear deal, and again had to deal with another product of the wests friends, ISIS, which didn't really bother Europe or the US much until the effects starting to be felt closer to home.

    Rouhani's term will be running out soon, and you can be sure that another lunatic is being prepared. Who benefits from this?
     
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    Diogenes

    Diogenes Opinions, schminions

    EU, UK and UN sanctions on the Syrian regime after they started slaughtering their own people with chemical weapons.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/sanctio...and-gas-and-electricity-generating-industries
    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/sanctions-on-syria
    https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/...ews-sanctions-against-the-regime-by-one-year/

     
  15. C R

    C R Über Member

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