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Diogenes

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brr, summer's over
I'm no lawyer ^_^ but I'm sure all nations can police sanctions, international waters or not. Gibraltar say it was in their (UK) territorial waters. Spain (predictably) are disputing this as they do not recognise Gibraltarian (?) territorial waters at all.

But the seizure did not take place in the port, which is part of Gibraltar’s territory, but further out in waters that Spain considers its own. In spite of it, Madrid made no attempt at halting the boarding operation.

“Spain did not want to interfere because this was about upholding EU sanctions,” said a ministry source. A Civil Guard patrol boat was sent out to monitor the operation.

British diplomatic sources told EL PAÍS that they are convinced Madrid and London are working towards the same goal of ensuring that EU sanctions against Syria are respected.

“It was done in observance of international law, and we have no doubt whatsoever that the government of Spain also supports the sanctions regime, even though we admit that both governments still have a pending dispute over the territory
https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/07/05/inenglish/1562310818_569487.html

So the legal basis for this is the tanker was suspected of breaking EU sanctions and was passing through EU territorial waters.
 

C R

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I'm no lawyer ^_^ but I'm sure all nations can police sanctions, international waters or not. Gibraltar say it was in their (UK) territorial waters. Spain (predictably) are disputing this as they do not recognise Gibraltarian (?) territorial waters at all.



https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/07/05/inenglish/1562310818_569487.html

So the legal basis for this is the tanker was suspected of breaking EU sanctions and was passing through EU territorial waters.
So what stops the Iranians declaring sanctions on the UK for selling the weapons with which the Saudis attack Yemen, and seizing British tankers in the straight of Hormuz? The straight is too narrow, so there are no international waters, it is either Iranian or Omani waters, and it is only through convention that international traffic is allowed unimpeded.

The point is that there seems to be a determination from the US to provoke the Iranians into doing something that would justify starting a war. The UK and Europe were seen to be somewhat neutral, but with this action in Gibraltar, the UK is shown to be toadying to the US, eroding the position of neutrality.
 
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Diogenes

Diogenes

brr, summer's over
So what stops the Iranians declaring sanctions on the UK for selling the weapons with which the Saudis attack Yemen, and seizing British tankers in the straight of Hormuz? The straight is too narrow, so there are no international waters, it is either Iranian or Omani waters, and it is only through convention that international traffic is allowed unimpeded.

The point is that there seems to be a determination from the US to provoke the Iranians into doing something that would justify starting a war. The UK and Europe were seen to be somewhat neutral, but with this action in Gibraltar, the UK is shown to be toadying to the US, eroding the position of neutrality.
Well not really, the sanctions are multinational with the weight of international law and the UN. Had Britain acted unilaterally out of the blue with no sanctions in place it would be very different. I think all EU nations have a legal duty to enforce EU sanctions.

Didn't the Iranians effectively declare their own sanctions regime on tankers in the Strait before which led to direct conflict?
 

gbb

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No one planned the first world war but everyone responded to everyone elses response.
Accidental escalation is a serious risk, unless you have god on your side.
Catastrophe, 1914, Europe Goes To War by Max Hastings broke the whole thing down and explained exactly what you describe.
 
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Diogenes

Diogenes

brr, summer's over
Iranian boats tried to impede a British oil tanker near the Gulf - before being driven off by a Royal Navy ship, a UK government spokesman has said. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48946051
This used to be a regular occurrence, it's why the RN is out there after all but I had to laugh at this from the Iranians -

On Wednesday, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani mocked the UK, calling it "scared" and "hopeless" for using Royal Navy warships to shadow a British tanker in the Gulf.
 

Milzy

Veteran
Scared & hopeless. The 3 gun boats s*** a brick & fled. They could have easily brought back up but didn’t. Who’s scared?
Iran isn’t going away, no point pussy footing around keeping the peace. They need a strong message like the Argies received in the Falklands. Only then can our shipping be left alone.
 

perplexed

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