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Discussion in 'News and Current Affairs' started by Diogenes, 14 Jun 2019.

  1. OP
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    Diogenes

    Diogenes Opinions, schminions

    I'm no lawyer ^_^ but I'm sure all nations can police sanctions, international waters or not. Gibraltar say it was in their (UK) territorial waters. Spain (predictably) are disputing this as they do not recognise Gibraltarian (?) territorial waters at all.

    https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/07/05/inenglish/1562310818_569487.html

    So the legal basis for this is the tanker was suspected of breaking EU sanctions and was passing through EU territorial waters.
     
  2. C R

    C R Über Member

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    So what stops the Iranians declaring sanctions on the UK for selling the weapons with which the Saudis attack Yemen, and seizing British tankers in the straight of Hormuz? The straight is too narrow, so there are no international waters, it is either Iranian or Omani waters, and it is only through convention that international traffic is allowed unimpeded.

    The point is that there seems to be a determination from the US to provoke the Iranians into doing something that would justify starting a war. The UK and Europe were seen to be somewhat neutral, but with this action in Gibraltar, the UK is shown to be toadying to the US, eroding the position of neutrality.
     
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    Diogenes

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    Well not really, the sanctions are multinational with the weight of international law and the UN. Had Britain acted unilaterally out of the blue with no sanctions in place it would be very different. I think all EU nations have a legal duty to enforce EU sanctions.

    Didn't the Iranians effectively declare their own sanctions regime on tankers in the Strait before which led to direct conflict?
     
  4. gbb

    gbb Legendary Member

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    Catastrophe, 1914, Europe Goes To War by Max Hastings broke the whole thing down and explained exactly what you describe.
     
  5. OP
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    Diogenes

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    This used to be a regular occurrence, it's why the RN is out there after all but I had to laugh at this from the Iranians -

     
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  6. Milzy

    Milzy Veteran

    Scared & hopeless. The 3 gun boats s*** a brick & fled. They could have easily brought back up but didn’t. Who’s scared?
    Iran isn’t going away, no point pussy footing around keeping the peace. They need a strong message like the Argies received in the Falklands. Only then can our shipping be left alone.
     
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    Diogenes

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  8. perplexed

    perplexed Guru

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    There seems to be some chatter that the Iranians may have taken control of the tanker.
     
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    Diogenes

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    Aye, the BBC are saying the Iranians are claiming to have seized her.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49053383

    I wonder if we're only escorting the full tankers leaving the Gulf, not the empty ones coming in?
     
  10. Beebo

    Beebo Firm and Fruity

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    Why would you intercept an empty tanker. It makes no sense other than to agitate.
     
  11. Grant Fondo

    Grant Fondo 'Real Life, and Postcard Views, Europe Endless'

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    Wheres Tom Hanks when you need him?
     
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  12. perplexed

    perplexed Guru

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    Retaliation?

    I stand to be corrected, but I think we are holding an Iranian vessel in Gibralter for defying EU sanctions. (I may have the detail wrong, but that's the drift).
     
  13. Grant Fondo

    Grant Fondo 'Real Life, and Postcard Views, Europe Endless'

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    Boris's resemblance to cap'n Bligh will come in handy when he puts the armada to sail.
     
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    Diogenes

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