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Was this bus driver bad?

Discussion in 'Commuting' started by nethalus, 12 Dec 2007.

  1. nethalus

    nethalus New Member

    Location:
    In my house
    There was a bus driver pulling away from a bus stop that has a short bus and cycle lane. As the bus was pulling away from the stop a cyclist was about to try and overtake the bus, they had just got level with the rear of it. The cyclist shouted "Oi thanks mate" as the bus continued to move. So the bus driver opened the cab window and stuck twos up at the cyclist before accelerating away. Do you think this was bad of the bus driver?
     
  2. LOGAN 5

    LOGAN 5 New Member

    this would be totally normal behaviour from a bus driver in London......
     
  3. Mister Paul

    Mister Paul Honky

    Location:
    North Somerset
    The bus driver should have let the bike pass.

    The bike should have let the bus out.

    The bus driver is a professional and shouldn't have reacted as he did. For some reason, in some professions behaviour like this against the public is allowed when in others it would mean instant dismissal.
     
  4. Jacomus-rides-Gen

    Jacomus-rides-Gen New Member

    Location:
    Guildford / London
    Hmm, giving them the finger, they should have stayed in their zen bubble (that is presuming bus drivers can have zen bubbles!!) But so should the cyclist.

    Six of one, half a dozen of the other I say ;)
     
  5. OP
    OP
    nethalus

    nethalus New Member

    Location:
    In my house
    What's a Zen bubble??
     
  6. fossyant

    fossyant Ride It Like You Stole It!

    Location:
    South Manchester
    Not enough info there mate, and to be honest if the driver was signaling, then then cyclist should have let the bus go....unless he/she was already well passed the rear end....

    But it's probably a student infested area, and lets not go there.. cos the law doesn't count...

    Hence why I cycle to my works base, then catch the dreaded bus into town - leave the official cycle routes to those that are stupid !
     
  7. OP
    OP
    nethalus

    nethalus New Member

    Location:
    In my house
    Alright, it's a short bus and cycle lane in Meanwood Road, Leeds that's just after a set of traffic lights. Now before the traffic lights there are two lanes. The only traffic allowed in the left hand lane before the lights are left turners, buses and cycles (who are both allowed to go straight on in the left hand lane, as it goes into the bus lane.) The bus had dropped one person off at the stop just after the lights, was late and the driver was a bit p*ssed off. They'd indicated, checked mirrors started to pull away when this cyclist appeared. They shouted "Oi!!!" so the bus driver gave them a classic two finger reply!
     
  8. gbb

    gbb Legendary Member

    Location:
    Peterborough
    It depends if the driver had signalled his intention early enough. IF he did, and IF the cyclist chose to ignore it...cyclists at fault.

    If the driver simply pulled out without signalling...drivers at fault.
     
  9. Jacomus-rides-Gen

    Jacomus-rides-Gen New Member

    Location:
    Guildford / London
    A "Zen bubble" is a state jovially referred to often by cyclists. Its that calm, happy, zen-like feeling you get quite often where things that happen around you just happen, and don;t emotionally affect you, and no matter what idiots cut you up and pull out on you, you still arrive where you are going happy as if you have just been for a Sunday morning jaunt in the country.
     
  10. smallfish

    smallfish Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Manchester
    I'm with J-r-G

    Sometimes you just gotta chill - look up the inside of the bus as you approach and if there's no waiting passengers you know the bus is going to pull out soon so slow down and let the bus pull out.

    If it's in front of you it can't kill you - that's the mantra i try and keep to - easier said than done sometimes, but always true!
     
  11. gambatte

    gambatte Middle of the pack...

    Location:
    S Yorks
    Netty - Is the road flat? (Just wondering as to slow down to allow the bus out may have had more affect on the cyclist if it was uphill)

    Think its good to remember we're commuting, not racing. Its an attitutude we keep saying we'd like all car drivers to adopt.

    As to the specific situation. I don't know enough detail to give an overall opinion.
     
  12. John the Monkey

    John the Monkey Frivolous Cyclist

    Location:
    Crewe
    As others have said, there isn't really enough info to know one way or another. I always let an indicating bus out, so long as it's safe to (i.e. I'm not being tailgated by a car, have seen the indication before passing the rear of the bus and can stop in a controlled way).

    Not everyone realises that a bike going 20+ mph does need more than a few yards to come to a stop though!
     
  13. BentMikey

    BentMikey Rider of Seolferwulf

    Location:
    South London
    Sounds like 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. The bus driver for pulling a sign, and the cyclist for trying to overtake when it seems likely he shouldn't have from Nethalus' description of him only making it level with the rear of the bus.

    Of course it's possible the real situation might have been quite different from the point of view of an independent observer.
     
  14. OP
    OP
    nethalus

    nethalus New Member

    Location:
    In my house
    The bus driver was signalling before pulling off, but the cyclist kept comming anway.
     
  15. John the Monkey

    John the Monkey Frivolous Cyclist

    Location:
    Crewe
    Highway code rule 167?

    167

    DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
    • when a road user is indicating right, even if you believe the signal should have been cancelled. Do not take a risk; wait for the signal to be cancelled
    (Other examples removed for clarity) Note that it's a "Do Not" not a must not, which I think means it's not an illegal manouevre.

    Also;
    223

    Buses, coaches and trams. Give priority to these vehicles when you can do so safely, especially when they signal to pull away from stops. Look out for people getting off a bus or tram and crossing the road.


    Again, the cyclist may not have felt able to stop safely in the time from seeing the indication from the bus. (Happened to me last week in the rain - I had to do a less controlled stop than I'd have liked because the bus moved out into the main part of the carriageway - wouldn't have been a problem in the dry).