When is a girl not a girl?

Discussion in 'News and Current Affairs' started by Phaeton, 12 Aug 2018.

  1. Phaeton

    Phaeton Guru

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    A member was grammatically pulled up by @jefmcg https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/cycling-laws-to-be-overhauled.238603/page-3#post-5346740 over his (I think) use of the word "Girl" which begs the question in the PC world when does a Girl cease to become a Girl (grammatically not biologically)?

    To me this seems like another one of those situations where females can use the G word, just like Afro Americans can use the N word, I have a black American friend who personally hates the term Afro American more than the N word, as he says he's American & has no ties to Africa.
     
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  2. PC world? Most of them have been rebadged as Currys.
     
  3. BSOh

    BSOh Senior Member

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    When you are referring to someone who has passed adolescence and is an adult then they are a woman not a girl. It's pretty straightforward.
     
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    Phaeton

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    You ask for a discussion & then don't want one, you appear to just like to cause disruption, seems to be some form of attention seeking, which is a shame as some of your points are valid.
     
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  5. Bromptonaut

    Bromptonaut Rohan Man

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    More or less what jefmcg said in the other thread. Referring to grown women as girls can cause offence. IIRC diversity policy at work suggests woman/women or female.

    Mostly about context. Women who are OK with being 'girls' socially might reasonably be offended if term was used professionally and with a hint of the pejorative.
     
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  6. OP
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    Phaeton

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    Actually no I don't think it it as, as somebody has already pointed out, women go on Girls weekends, the Girls at work who may well be 30, 40, 50 of age plus is acceptable as well, some people seem to take exception for exception sake.
     
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  7. BSOh

    BSOh Senior Member

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    Its the same as the word boy. Its acceptable for someone to say they had a night out with the boys. But if someone called an adult male boy in another situation it could also be considered unacceptable. Its not taking exception for exceptions sake, its using the correct term in the correct social situation.
     
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  8. FishFright

    FishFright More wheels than sense

    And black people call each other by the N word but that doesn't make it ok for you to do the same.

    Context , it's all about the context
     
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  9. OP
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    Phaeton

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    People were/are brought up at different times, things that were acceptable once no longer are, seat belts, smoking, calling people names like moron, spaz , homo etc. but when they were the norm when you were brought up sometimes they may still slip out, I agree somebody should be brought to task if used on a regular basis. But it appears some people seem to take delight in trawling every post looking for the infractions.
     
  10. FishFright

    FishFright More wheels than sense

    It can be a burden to have a conscience .....
     
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  11. Cycleops

    Cycleops Guru

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    Depends on the culture, anyone down here under the age of thirty is referred to as a girl or boy.
     
  12. theclaud

    theclaud It's teeceegawnmaaaad

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  13. I actually said that I didn't want a debate, but offered to join a discussion if you started a new thread. That was a genuine offer, but then you started talking about political correctness, which is such a cowards term to hide behind, I am afraid I lost the will.

    Anyway, the question has been pretty well answered. I particularly like @BSOh's response: use it where you'd use "boy" eg
    "boy's night", "little boy's room", "just us boys" ok

    "the boy on the radio talking about cycle safety, I think his name was Chris Boardman" :eek:
     
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  14. Dirk

    Dirk If 6 Was 9

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    Devon's Gold Coast
    Not in Devon, it wouldn't.;)
     
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    Phaeton

    Phaeton Guru

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    Precisely, around here there are plenty of old boys & girls, Old boy down the pub, Old girl who lives around the corner, the old lass on the counter in the shop, none of these are derogatory to them, it's language, none London centric language.
     
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