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Was someone wrong on internet, does this mean you are a winner ?
That's an odd thing to say.
If we carry on the way we're going I think we're all going to be losers. But with regards to Widdecombe, she meant what she said, that's all, it's not about winners or losers, I'm just repeating what she said.
 
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Most of the Brexit thread is insults to leave voters, dont see you complaining about that, the hypocrisy is unbelievable.
The problem with the Brexit thread is that pro-Brexit posters are asked to justify assertions or get called out when they repost stuff they found on facebook with absolutely no fact checking at all.

It is clearly insulting to ask for clarity or justification on people's opinions or "facts".
 
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The problem with the Brexit thread is that pro-Brexit posters are asked to justify assertions or get called out when they repost stuff they found on facebook with absolutely no fact checking at all.

It is clearly insulting to ask for clarity or justification on people's opinions or "facts".
I dont actually care what you call brexiters, thick, racist, etc other than if I was to talk about remainers the same way then there would be a problem, its the hypocrisy of posters on here, selective outrage is just pathetic.
 

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I dont actually care what you call brexiters, thick, racist, etc other than if I was to talk about remainers the same way then there would be a problem, its the hypocrisy of posters on here, selective outrage is just pathetic.
I don't think 'brexiteers' are thick (Ok some are racist but ho-hum) but they've believed all the rhetoric about Britain's troubles being caused by the EU when it is blatantly obvious that it is successive British Governments that have brought this once great country to it's knees. :cursing:
 

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I dont actually care what you call brexiters, thick, racist, etc other than if I was to talk about remainers the same way then there would be a problem, its the hypocrisy of posters on here, selective outrage is just pathetic.
* leavers keep making up that everyone's calling them uneducated, racist and/or thick, seemingly failing to notice that there are some that are, but not all
* no one can name an unequivocal benefit of Brexit
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Again, just to make it extra clear for those skim-reading, you're the one who mentioned being thick and racist. Would sir care for some ketchup?
 

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Thankfully we don't have to guess what she meant as she was just on Newsnight saying she meant what she said. That the UK was the oppressed and the EU was the oppressor and that she used three historical examples of the oppressed rising up against their oppressors, as the oppressed UK did in 2016 when it voted for Brexit.
Thanks I’ll have to check what she said and get back to you. Here’s hoping it wasn’t bbc gotcha journalism.
 

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Thanks I’ll have to check what she said and get back to you. Here’s hoping it wasn’t bbc gotcha journalism.

It’s as I feared the journalist didn’t seem to comprehend what was being said.
 

mjr

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Thanks I’ll have to check what she said and get back to you. Here’s hoping it wasn’t bbc gotcha journalism.
Gotcha journalism with Widdecombe these days consists of putting a microphone near her! Plot, lost.

On oppression, I'll bet the BXP will continue UKIP's policy of revoking national and regional autonomy and Westminster doing everything. With UKIP's manifesto author as one of BXP's four actual members, it'll be astonishing if it doesn't.
 
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It's a bit more complicated than that...
According to Widdy it was laws and borders. It's fascinating how far people are able to shove their fingers into their ears and how tightly they can screw their eyes up when it suits.
In which case I'd like someone to extract the fingers from Widdy's ears and open her eyes so that she can justify with a straight face why she said the stupid things she did.

I suspect she set out to annoy by saying something provocative she knows is untrue and hyperbolic. In that she succeeded. But she also succeeded in casting a light on the lie, which will have significantly undermined its strength.
 

mjr

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It’s as I feared the journalist didn’t seem to comprehend what was being said.
That's a bit meta, isn't it? Here's her original comment:

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l8ukak8P2vY

Oops sorry easily confused! Here it is:

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HOwRhkWpnuI


"It doesn't matter which language you use" seems rather at odds with all the later language-lawyering over her comments. She compared the UK to a colony of the EU empire, a slave of the EU baron, rather than the truth that the UK is one of the co-creators of it. She is denying history, failing to learn from it and probably dooming us to repeat the 60s/70s "sick man of Europe" period.

Not that she'll care as she'll have had her thousands of pounds and probably be pushing up daisies when those chickens come home to roost!

Also a bit odd to mention fishing when the fishing organisation NUTFA are all over the news this morning saying how damaging Brexit is going to be to our fishing fleets. Trying to muddy the waters?
 

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She does appear to have changed her mind somewhat;

2008, we live in a free country -
"However, none of this is to say that we should not welcome genuine asylum seekers. We live in safety; we will walk out of this place tonight without fear of arrest or persecution because, even under this Government who try to police everything, we still live in a reasonably free country. We should remember that, but that is not to say that we should ever tolerate the consistent and growing abuse of our system, which does a disservice not only to the indigenous community, but to those who are welcome here and who seek to join us on a lawful basis." (My bold)

It appears it was our own government not the EU that could and did pass laws to oppress us, but she certainly thought we were free in 2005. Oppress/stop you beating children, whatever -
"The Bill is the latest in the long line of oppressive measures that has come out of this Government. However, this one is especially dangerous. At the end of the last Parliament, we passed a Bill that managed to prohibit us even from smacking a naughty child without some busybody turning up with a magnifying glass to see whether that had left a mark. This Bill will curtail not action, but the free expression of thought, which has always been the underlying tenet of our democracy. It did not matter whether one was a fascist or a communist, whether one was a militant evangelical street preacher or a militant atheist, or whether one was a carefully spoken professor of philosophy at Oxford or Alf Garnett, because whoever one was and whatever one thought, one was able to express those thoughts freely. One did not have to work out what someone else might think of those thoughts and decide what to do about them several stages down the line."

In 1992 Widdy was happy to tell us how fab the UK was when compared to the rest of Europe, odd for a country shackled by its oppressors to have such freedom to make its own laws surely? -
"I am delighted that the hon. Gentleman appears to be saying that the Labour party draws its policy from Tory pressure groups. Far from Britain's pensioners being the worst-off in Europe, they are among the best-off. Is the hon. Gentleman aware that only Britain and Spain supply free prescriptions to pensioners; that in any study of pensioners on half-average earnings, Britain's pensioners come out first or second; and that, unlike some other countries in Europe, we do not take into account children's income when assessing pensioners' rights? Should not the hon. Gentleman be ashamed? I recommend that he reads the good article that appeared in yesterday's Sunday Express."

Anyway, that's enough of that, I feel quite dirty having looked through some of that muck.



 
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She does appear to have changed her mind somewhat;

2008, we live in a free country -
"However, none of this is to say that we should not welcome genuine asylum seekers. We live in safety; we will walk out of this place tonight without fear of arrest or persecution because, even under this Government who try to police everything, we still live in a reasonably free country. We should remember that, but that is not to say that we should ever tolerate the consistent and growing abuse of our system, which does a disservice not only to the indigenous community, but to those who are welcome here and who seek to join us on a lawful basis." (My bold)

It appears it was our own government not the EU that could and did pass laws to oppress us, but she certainly thought we were free in 2005. Oppress/stop you beating children, whatever -
"The Bill is the latest in the long line of oppressive measures that has come out of this Government. However, this one is especially dangerous. At the end of the last Parliament, we passed a Bill that managed to prohibit us even from smacking a naughty child without some busybody turning up with a magnifying glass to see whether that had left a mark. This Bill will curtail not action, but the free expression of thought, which has always been the underlying tenet of our democracy. It did not matter whether one was a fascist or a communist, whether one was a militant evangelical street preacher or a militant atheist, or whether one was a carefully spoken professor of philosophy at Oxford or Alf Garnett, because whoever one was and whatever one thought, one was able to express those thoughts freely. One did not have to work out what someone else might think of those thoughts and decide what to do about them several stages down the line."

In 1992 Widdy was happy to tell us how fab the UK was when compared to the rest of Europe, odd for a country shackled by it's oppressors to have such freedom to make its own laws surely? -
"I am delighted that the hon. Gentleman appears to be saying that the Labour party draws its policy from Tory pressure groups. Far from Britain's pensioners being the worst-off in Europe, they are among the best-off. Is the hon. Gentleman aware that only Britain and Spain supply free prescriptions to pensioners; that in any study of pensioners on half-average earnings, Britain's pensioners come out first or second; and that, unlike some other countries in Europe, we do not take into account children's income when assessing pensioners' rights? Should not the hon. Gentleman be ashamed? I recommend that he reads the good article that appeared in yesterday's Sunday Express."

Anyway, that's enough of that, I feel quite dirty having looked through some of that muck.


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