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BBC this morning

Discussion in 'Commuting' started by gambatte, 20 May 2011.

  1. gambatte

    gambatte Middle of the pack...

    S Yorks
    Just been on and will be revisited during the morning. Its not the usual 30s of cliches. OK theres plenty of cliches in there....
    Magnatoms lorry/RAB vid, a few more. CTC spokesman and they're at a kids bikeability course.
    The female presenter commented that the only reason she doesn't cycle is shes too scared.
  2. Peter91

    Peter91 New Member

    Just seen that, the lorry roundabout footage is cringe-worthy.
  3. 2Loose

    2Loose Über Member

    Not sure how Magnatom's HGV RAB video fits in with blindspots really. The driver appeared to be doing a good speed - opening his eyes and looking where forward would have worked.

    Maybe I'll see some coverage later.

    Edit: just caught some of the 'correspondence' - cyclists behave terribly on the road, licence and insure them etc. Yawn.
  4. summerdays

    summerdays Cycling in the sun Staff Member

    The photos of the bike under the lorry were from Bristol a year or so back. My kids were impressed that I knew all 3 incidents shown!

    I wasn't impressed with the lorry footage - whether it was bad editing by the film crew or just set up to get a shot for the film but they actually showed the lorry overtaking a cyclist whilst giving the lorry turning left message - with no comment of how dangerous a situation the lorry driver had put the cyclist in. (I'm in favour of the system itself).
  5. ThePainInSpain

    ThePainInSpain Active Member

    Malaga, Spain
    Who was the stupid old bat that was against it, fantastic argument she used 'the new technology is dangerous because the driver could be looking at it and a pedestrian run out in front of him'. What a stupid statement.

    As for the roundabout incident, quite agree, nothing to do with drivers blind spot, just blind drivers.
  6. BSRU

    BSRU A Human Being

    There seemed to be a huge emphasis on the HGV drivers being at fault, when it is the stupid cyclists ignoring Highway Code 167 who at fault. The technology should be used to allow HGV drivers to keep a look out for the death wish cyclists that insist on going up the inside of a very large metal object which is indicating to turn left.
  7. abo

    abo Well-Known Member

    Stockton on Tees
    A little wide angle lens camera on the nearside of the trailer might be the way to go, so it eliminates the problem of the mirrors being obscured when they turn
  8. moon_monkey

    moon_monkey Well-Known Member

    I spotted that as well. Made me wince and chuckle at the same time.
    Did wonder if they'd just added the sound on top to make it more interesting.
  9. I don't know if it's just the edit, but look at just before 2 mins in - very close overtake of cyclist with the "caution, truck turning left" signal on - not great driving - ie close overtake and left hook by truck driver who moans that cyclists are at fault... typical really
  10. killiekosmos

    killiekosmos Senior Member

    More and more we get helmet camera footage on BBC news. Magnatom should charge for rghts to his work!

    It was good that the story was discussed on TV but there were a few flaws:

    * the Magnatom incident was nothing to do with blind sports, it was just bad driving.

    * no mention about vehicles overtaking then immediately turning left across a cyclist

    * RHA seems against system on cost grounds but had to invent another reason (too busy looking at cameras then run over pedestrian)

    * simple signage at back would help "don't undertake I may turn left"
  11. She made me splutter with mirth. Not a very PR savvy women given that she's supposed to be a spokesperson.

    Edit 30mins later:

    I've just thought through what she said, and by extension she has just argued for the removal of mirrors from lorries because '.....dangerous because the driver could be looking at it and a pedestrian run out in front of him'

    Excellent point from the spokesperson for the road haulage association (or whatever)
  12. jeltz

    jeltz Senior Member

    Radstock, Somerset
    No harm in adding extra tech to help but lets face it its not going to go into vans, cars, 4WD's or people carriers. Maybe it would just be better if there were more public information films to improve awareness of the various potential hazards that are encountered on the roads, including but not limited to filtering down the left.
  13. It's because Mags (through no fault of his own) was behind the mirror, from the driver's point of view. I'm not excusing the driver - he should have looked around the mirror, which is what I do - but that's why it was a blind spot incident. It's one of the reasons why more mirrors on lorries is not necessarily a good thing ...
  14. gavintc

    gavintc Veteran

    Personally I am remain unconvinced. It seems a classic case of a technological solution for something that would be better solved with decent mirrors. A cam will get mucky in typical UK weather degrading the image and I think as the woman stated it will add an extra check for the driver. When driving, your head is up scanning the road and the mirrors - all on a similar sight line, you then need to drop your eyes to the little cab based screen - all while making a manoeuvre. I think that it will distract and detract from the procedure of watching your mirrors and ahead carefully. So, I think it is not a viable alternative.
  15. byegad

    byegad Veteran

    NE England

    Want a bigger brush? :biggrin:

    Seriously I thought something similar. The left side of an HGV is not the best place to be. If it passes you then hopefully the driver knows you are there, after all the driver pulled out to pass you and didn't drive over you.

    If you try to pass the HGV on its left then you are relying on the driver looking in the mirror while you are in his arc of vision. Not good. Although the idea of an extra warning for the driver is good you won't find me on the left of a lorry other than when they pass me, even if they make the magic eye compulsory.
  16. She did have a valid point, I thought. Technology, extra mirrors and so on are all very well, but it stands to reason that if the driver is looking at a video screen, s/he's not looking at the mirrors, and if s/he's looking at the mirrors, then s/he's not looking in front of the cab, and so on. And it's true enough that if a driver comes to rely on a little electronic voice saying "warning! moving object on the left" (or whatever) , they'll soon get out of the habit of simply being as vigilant as possible. Fine while the little electronic voice device works, but if it gets broken or damaged or simply wears out and isn't replaced (and tipper trucks in particular tend to have a hard working life in dusty and muddy environments; hardly conducive to the survival of electronic gizmos) then it's very easy to imagine teh driver not realisingtaht there is a cyclist alongside. I'd rather see cyclists educated to stay away from that side of lorries, and lorry drivers educated to look out for them and not left hook them.
  17. I was wrestling a screaming toddler :rolleyes: when it was on but what I did catch was the fleet manager going on about the cameras and sensors costing in the region of £600-£700. I know a cyclist can be to blame for putting themselves to the left of a left turning truck and cameras and sensors will never be a 100% solution but to me that seems cheap when compared to the cost of lives, even just one.

    OT did anybody catch that old Episode of Police, Camera, Action after the ToC last night, showing that suicidal idiot trying to undertake a bus. Of course bad behaviour like that'll be stopped after the governments plans to introduce licence plates (I think the program was 20 year old :rolleyes: )
  18. sfb

    sfb New Member

    I didn't see the program you're discussing and I've only recently started cycling again but this makes interesting reading. I have a variety of crappy old motorbikes and mopeds and have had my bike licence for 20 years and I find it best to assume that everyone else on the road is out to get me, and then feel pleased when other road users are polite and considerate.

    I always assume that lorry drivers haven't seen me - you can't even make assumptions about which side of the cab the driver is in, it may well be a "foreign" lorry - looking at number plates gives you a clue but if you're trying to get past one on either side, have a thought for what evasive action you can take if the driver suddenly changes direction. You can't do much about it if a lorry decides to pass you on a roundabout but generally, I would give any lorry a wide berth on a roundabout whether on a motorbike, bicycle or in a car - just hang back and stay out of the way.

    Everyone can make mistakes and those are big, big vehicles with a lot more scope for the driver to miss seeing someone. It might not be fair that they haven't seen you and it isn't excusable for them not to check properly but if you just accept that you have to ride defensively at all times, it really isn't that arduous. A moment's distraction to a lorry driver can be disastrous for more vulnerable road users - whatever safety measures lorries have in place, I will still ride in a manner that means I spend as little time as possible in close proximity to them - I wouldn't sit next to a lorry at traffic lights unless I could put myself in a position where I knew the driver could see me.

    I'm sure you get the idea - a little paranoia can be a healthy thing.
  19. ThePainInSpain

    ThePainInSpain Active Member

    Malaga, Spain
    What if you did away with mirrors altogether and went entirely to cameras. With a screen in the cab split into 4 views. Then the driver only has to look at one other area apart from ahead.