Charlie Alliston case - fixie rider accused of causing pedestrian death
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stiffknees
Guest
I give a quick touch on the horn button, well in advance, I don't come up behind a rider who has ear phones in and give a mighty blast and scare the crap out of him/her.
stiffknees
Guest
That must be a different Hyde Park to the one I ride through which seems to be trying to squash the cycling boom into a fraction of the width of a minority of the routes through the park, adding crash hazards to the places where walkers cross and closing cycle lanes seemingly on a whim with no advance warning with the only options being a U-turn or a dismount+push that disabled riders cannot easily do! While motorists are also restricted to a minority of routes, I've yet to see the park put up "alight and push" signs for drivers.
Yes. The ones who are screaming to convict other cyclists before the evidence is all heard are the worst by far
This guy has convicted himself out of his own gob.
No it was that same Hyde park,some years ago, I never return to London any more, but I do remember it was like walking into a stampede, most of which was not using the cycle lanes, a bit of abuse chucked at this old bloke too. Not exactly ambassadors for cycling. Even old blokes in suits can be cyclists incognito. Antagonising your friends is not a good idea.
There is only one public road through the park, and a ring road. I knew Hyde park when the fastest thing down that road was a prostitute who spotted a cop.
All the cycle routes that have been provided are after all, a concession,not a right, it would take only a shift in political attude to have them removed.
Cyclists need to make friends with non-cyclists, not enemies.
Drago
Legendary Member
- Location
- Suburban Poshshire
Oh aye, the prosecutor is going to weaponise those words and prevent him from concocting an excuse or defense, and if he's found guilty those words are the kiss of death to any of the vanilla reasons mitigation, such as genuine remorse etc.
He's going down, and hard.
Nigel-YZ1
Guru
- Location
- Somewhere else... maybe soon.
Most of what I've read about this today was on the Yahoo website, where the anti-cyclist hate fest is in full flow.
Drago
Legendary Member
- Location
- Suburban Poshshire
With prats killing people using brakeless track bikes on the road its no wonder the hairy palmed Mail readers are baying for cyclists blood. As a minority road user we get ten times the scrutiny as the mainstream car drivers, and each infraction draws ten times the criticism from that quarter - its wrong, but that's the way it is.
Bazzer
Setting the controls for the heart of the sun.
- Location
- On the edge of reality
Struggling to see why you need to warn another road user and specifically a cyclist of your presence. Particularly if you are giving them sufficient room as you pass.
Indeed, I can see an argument that by doing it, you might actually cause a problem in the future. Because there could be one time a cyclist hears a horn and they should be taking notice of it. Instead they choose to ignore it because they have been conditioned by some motorcyclist who sets off his horn every time he passes them, just to let them know he is there, not to warn them of something.
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
- Location
- Scotland
Hold on a mo Drago, there's been one death at the hands of one rider on a bike with no front brake, an extremely rare event. The DM style of fury-inducing coverage is wrong and we (the general public) do not have to accept it and the resultant overblown criticism as 'the way it is', let alone perpetuate it.
I get this kind of stuff at work when criticism of people cycling gets blown out of proportion and delivered as if it's a universal truth.
I always firmly reject it.
Maybe I'm a lone voice with little or no effect but I'm not going to let such people think they have a reasonable point of view at the expense of a generally benign transport mode without saying something to them.
So essy to be glib and dismissive about the DM....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40927791
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/14/cyclist-charlie-alliston-killed-pedestrian-blamed-crash-kim-briggs-court-told
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dangerous-cyclist-charlie-alliston-mowed-down-killed-kim-briggs-east-london-old-street-old-bailey-a7893446.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/14/cyclist-killed-pedestrian-high-speed-crash-said-people-had-zero/
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/cyclist-accused-of-fatally-ploughing-into-motheroftwo-shouted-at-her-as-she-lay-dying-a3612026.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/people-zero-respect-cyclist-who-10987344
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
- Location
- Scotland
I mentioned that shitrag because it was referenced in the post I was replying to.
jefmcg
Guru
They all seem to reporting the facts of the case (ok, the two I looked at) not drumming up generic hatred of all cyclists. I don't know if the DM is doing that, but I expect if it isn't it will shortly.
And how did you mess up all those links so badly?
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
Hmm let's see what sentence this chap gets and let's compare it to a typical motorist. I bet the chap gets a far more severe sentance.
His comments haven't helped him.
His comments haven't helped him.
booze and cake
probably out cycling
What is striking to me is all the focus seems to be on blaming the cyclist (and I'm not defending him for a second), and hardly any focus seems to be on the fact the lady seems to have stepped out into the road while looking at her phone. Is stepping out into the highway while not looking not contributory to the accident in any way? Are they implying that it is reasonable to expect pedestrians to step out into the road without looking? If yes, I'm struggling to see that logic applied to car drivers on the same roads, if it is reasonable to expect peds to step out without looking, why are'nt all cars everywhere being driven at 12mph just in case a ped steps out.....cos that's happening isn't it.....
And don't start me off on the Hyde Park cycling policy, what a joke that is, all they have shown is they are very adept at pissing money up the wall on pointless and completely ineffective modifications that IMHO are more likely to cause accidents than avoid them.
And don't start me off on the Hyde Park cycling policy, what a joke that is, all they have shown is they are very adept at pissing money up the wall on pointless and completely ineffective modifications that IMHO are more likely to cause accidents than avoid them.
jefmcg
Guru
OK, and this is not aggressive, it's a genuine question: Are you a lawyer? I'm not sure why when the Guardian, Telegraph, Standard, Independent and BBC are all asserting he has been charged with manslaughter, you are certain they are wrong. That Old Bailey page doesn't look like any sort of legal document or charge sheet, it's just picking out enough details of each case that the public can identify it even if you don't know the names of those involved. I'm sure it doesn't list all the charges.
Again, it's a genuine question, not a dig.
jefmcg
Guru
True. I'm not sure what happened there. Let's try again.
So? Lots of good people have faces you want to punch, I'm sure. Let's not judge him by his resting face, anymore than we would by the colour of skin or his sexuality or gender.
I watched a country coalesce to convict someone because they didn't like her face. Let's try not to do that.
