Campag in trouble!

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oxoman

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Very sad to see, and it will cost them a fair bit as Italian employment laws used to be very strict over redundancies.
 

mrushton

Active Member
A beautiful history that ties in with the romance of cycling. But in the end it's a gear selection system. I still use it but wouldn't use it now. I would be on 105/Ultegra and if I wanted eg Bora wheels I would use the compatible free hub. The company must have a value but would anyone take it on?
 
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midlandsgrimpeur

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I would be on 105/Ultegra

I think this is their major problem, the vast majority of cyclists are on 105 or Ultegra and Campag have gradually moved away from a good quality entry/mid level groupset. If you run Chorus mechanical you are looking at in excess of £120 for a new cassette, £40 for a chain. People have to factor in maintenance and replacement costs in addition to the original groupset. I understand why they went down the 'premium' only route, they see their USP and being the best quality, all made in Europe, but there are only so many (or few perhaps) people willing to spend £4k on a groupset or a £15k Super Record equipped bike.
 
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midlandsgrimpeur

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They dropped mirage and veloce so they are a victim of their own demise.

Plus Athena. I wouldn't disagree and I suspect there was more than a touch of hubris as I get the impression they have always seen themselves as above Shimano and Sram. I remember an interview where the Chief Exec said Dura Ace was the equivalent to Chorus and that Record and SR had no equal in the market. I am sure this led them to pursue the ridiculously high end stuff only, which has ultimately cost them a lot of money.
 
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midlandsgrimpeur

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Mike Ashley will be sniffing around in due course I have no doubt.

Coming soon to your local Evans - Super Record at 20% off, only no cranks, cassette or chain!

I noticed some rather good value Conti GP5000 the other day, clicked the link and it was Sports Direct via Amazon, so obviously I did not purchase them. Best part upon closer inspection (or worst part perhaps) was that it was advertising £63 for a pair of tires. In reality they were only sending one tire, lots of very disgruntled customers in the reviews and when they complained were just getting a refund. No apology for the fact that the listing is completely false as it clearly states a pair of tires.
 
Reportage on this has not been very accurate.
Spoiler alert- although I work closely with Campagnolo, I am not an employee of the company. I do not in any way speak for Campagnolo on this matter - however the following notes hopefully give a clearer summary of the situation than some of the more hysterical stories in the media:

The initial reports that appeared across the cycling press, were generated by a single report in La Gazzettino, a local Vicenza / Treviso newspaper that spoke of 40% job losses as a done deal in the headline - in fact, those losses, even if they occur, will only be at Vicenza - which whilst it is HQ, is not Campagnolo's highest-employing site & it's a number that was not announced in any PR by the company.

For those interested, although it's behind a paywall, it's worth reading the full story - Google translate gives a good version for those who are not Italian speakers.

The fact is that the 40% figure is *not* a done deal. The recovery plan, of which the projected redundancies are only a part, was presented to the Unions just over a week ago includes a raft of cost reduction methods, both in supply chain and production- the company acknowledge a level of redundancies at Vicenza but those numbers are not agreed yet.

Campagnolo have released a statement in the last 48 hours that puts more flesh on the bones of the situation. Bike Radar amongst others have clear reportage of that statement.

Is there a problem in components companies generally?
Yes there is.
Are Shimano and SRAM affected?
Yes they are.
Why does this appear to affect Campagnolo worse?
Partly because they are a smaller business, partly because unlike Shimano, they don't have such a diverse business and unlike SRAM, they are not as heavily externally financed, partly because they are closer to home, with 90% of what they make, produced in Europe and almost all of their production is in-house.

The very low prices that we are seeing vs RRP throughout the components market is a reflection of how difficult the situation is - the 40% discounts available on some Shimano products are not there because some company executives have had a Damascene moment and decided to eschew the profit motive - they reflect an overproduction / overstock situation, one which Shimano, for one, have publically commented on, in their 2024/25 financial results.

So, the writing of obituaries is probably premature - it's a very tough situation, it's an extremely tough market - but for Campagnolo, 2x13 (at RRP , hitting much the same price point as Dura Ace) and the just-released 1x13 wireless electronic groups (pricing very similar at RRP to SRAM 1x XPLR) have started extremely well, there is still a Super Record wired 12s EPS option and there are still Super Record & Chorus 12s rim and disc brake, Centaur 11s and Veloce 10s "shifting group" options - so, whilst there is still an emphasis on high end, it's not true to say that there isn't a fair spread of options across the product range, nor an exclusive concentration on electronics.

Lower price point options for wireless are coming, too, to address the general affordability isue.
 
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midlandsgrimpeur

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Reportage on this has not been very accurate.
Spoiler alert- although I work closely with Campagnolo, I am not an employee of the company. I do not in any way speak for Campagnolo on this matter - however the following notes hopefully give a clearer summary of the situation than some of the more hysterical stories in the media:

The initial reports that appeared across the cycling press, were generated by a single report in La Gazzettino, a local Vicenza / Treviso newspaper that spoke of 40% job losses as a done deal in the headline - in fact, those losses, even if they occur, will only be at Vicenza - which whilst it is HQ, is not Campagnolo's highest-employing site & it's a number that was not announced in any PR by the company.

For those interested, although it's behind a paywall, it's worth reading the full story - Google translate gives a good version for those who are not Italian speakers.

The fact is that the 40% figure is *not* a done deal. The recovery plan, of which the projected redundancies are only a part, was presented to the Unions just over a week ago includes a raft of cost reduction methods, both in supply chain and production- the company acknowledge a level of redundancies at Vicenza but those numbers are not agreed yet.

Campagnolo have released a statement in the last 48 hours that puts more flesh on the bones of the situation. Bike Radar amongst others have clear reportage of that statement.

Is there a problem in components companies generally?
Yes there is.
Are Shimano and SRAM affected?
Yes they are.
Why does this appear to affect Campagnolo worse?
Partly because they are a smaller business, partly because unlike Shimano, they don't have such a diverse business and unlike SRAM, they are not as heavily externally financed, partly because they are closer to home, with 90% of what they make, produced in Europe and almost all of their production is in-house.

The very low prices that we are seeing vs RRP throughout the components market is a reflection of how difficult the situation is - the 40% discounts available on some Shimano products are not there because some company executives have had a Damascene moment and decided to eschew the profit motive - they reflect an overproduction / overstock situation, one which Shimano, for one, have publically commented on, in their 2024/25 financial results.

So, the writing of obituaries is probably premature - it's a very tough situation, it's an extremely tough market - but for Campagnolo, 2x13 (at RRP , hitting much the same price point as Dura Ace) and the just-released 1x13 wireless electronic groups (pricing very similar at RRP to SRAM 1x XPLR) have started extremely well, there is still a Super Record wired 12s EPS option and there are still Super Record & Chorus 12s rim and disc brake, Centaur 11s and Veloce 10s "shifting group" options - so, whilst there is still an emphasis on high end, it's not true to say that there isn't a fair spread of options across the product range, nor an exclusive concentration on electronics.

Lower price point options for wireless are coming, too, to address the general affordability isue.

Very helpful post and insight, thanks!
 

Pblakeney

Über Member
Not sure what SRAM make, but I know Shimano also have a big fishing component business. I always assumed Campag made something like tractors, or sports cars (in addition to the corkscrews, which we all have, but still probably contribute <1% of turnover).

As far as I am aware Campagnolo is purely a cycling company.
Corkscrews, clothing and paraphernalia aside.
 
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midlandsgrimpeur

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Not sure what SRAM make, but I know Shimano also have a big fishing component business. I always assumed Campag made something like tractors, or sports cars (in addition to the corkscrews, which we all have, but still probably contribute <1% of turnover).

Sram are cycling components only, but they acquired Zipp and Time pedals as well.
 
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