Car -vs- Cycle Lane incident 😲

[DaveReading]

I could be wrong but that looks like car driver casualties.

Yes, the chart makes it clear that it's KSI car driver casualties.

 

[Evil_Breakfast]

It is interesting how the 'clickbait' of an elderly driver catches the attention, but what about Escooters on pavements, on cycle paths, drivers close encounters on roads, driving against the traffic, running red lights, careless roundabout driving, etc. are these all elderly drivers?

O.K.
I defer to @All uphill in this matter, for clarity.
Said driver would have driven 400-odd metres, before said incident.
That's driven; as in -making a voluntary choice in leaving the road in question- and continuing on a trajectory that was, clearly, not a road.

 

[a.twiddler]

Not that rare. I followed a car up a cycle track yesterday, then pulled into a gap on the right while its driver discovered the bollard at the far end and reversed back until they could turn around in a gap on the left and drive out. It won't make the news because they didn't hit anything or anyone, not because the incident of driving on cycle tracks is rare. Motorists currently routinely drive on anything - cycle tracks, pavements, playgrounds, small no-motor-vehicle bridges - and there's basically nobody stopping them unless someone gets hurt. Give drivers an inch and they take hundreds of miles.

So, not just elderly drivers then.

 

[mjr]

So, not just elderly drivers then.

Not just, although the driver I saw yesterday wasn't young either! I suspect the problem was blindly following a sat nav sayang 'next left' instead of looking at the road sign to realise it wasn't that next left! Sat navs still weren't part of driving when I took my test and the cycle track driver was older than me.

 

[Jameshow]

The police didn't assess him as vulnerable, as reported it says someone reported the man as vulnerable. Which is pretty hard to do unless you are trained in such assessments. Even, so what the person who called meant by vulnerable we will never know. Maybe there was an angry mob threatening to lynch him for hitting the children as they went to school.

What us he vulnerable to?

Scams? Falls? Memory loss?

Frail might be a better description...

 

[a.twiddler]

Not just, although the driver I saw yesterday wasn't young either! I suspect the problem was blindly following a sat nav sayang 'next left' instead of looking at the road sign to realise it wasn't that next left! Sat navs still weren't part of driving when I took my test and the cycle track driver was older than me.

Perhaps it is sanavs that need regulating as much as dimwit drivers?

 

[HLaB]

Yes, the chart makes it clear that it's KSI car driver casualties.

Yes, if you read the following posts, I am saying that. Its just an expression asking someone to look again. Its quite clear its driver casualties by age which are biased significantly. The report probably acknowledges that.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

What us he vulnerable to?

Scams? Falls? Memory loss?

Frail might be a better description...

Or none of the above

 

[All uphill]

Why would you try to do that?

Posts are put there precisely to stop cars being driven onto the paths. So long as they are sensible, they shouldn't impede cyclists significantly at all.

If they are putting posts up too close together to easily cycle through, that is certainly an issue, but that is installying them wrongly, not an inherent issue with posts.

The local Highways Department seems to have a love of all kinds of obstacles for pedestrians and cyclists - chicanes, sheep pens and black bollards in the centre of cycleways/footpaths.

My argument is that the majority of these are expensive, put cyclists and pedestrians in conflict, generally disrupt flow and serve no purpose.

 

[mjr]

The local Highways Department seems to have a love of all kinds of obstacles for pedestrians and cyclists - chicanes, sheep pens and black bollards in the centre of cycleways/footpaths.

So yours has stopped installing "ankle-breakers" (officially "deterrent paving") then? Norfolk still hasn't realised that any time your design deliberately seeks to injure people walking or cycling along the desire line, it's a failed design, so they installed some outside a hospital this year.

 

[All uphill]

So yours has stopped installing "ankle-breakers" (officially "deterrent paving") then? Norfolk still hasn't realised that any time your design deliberately seeks to injure people walking or cycling along the desire line, it's a failed design, so they installed some outside a hospital this year.

I think I may know where some has been installed in the last couple of years. I'll have a look.

I find it appalling that a department in a council in financial crisis will spend extra money in conflict with the design guide to make things worse.

 

[blackrat]

I question anyone's belief that council workers have the intellectual capacity to assess the results of their actions.