Difference between "filtering" and queue jumping?

[semislickstick]

What would you say the difference is between filtering and queue jumping?

An advance stop zone makes it ok? What about when there isn't?

Got any do's and dont's?

 

[XmisterIS]

To me, "queue jumping" isn't really a concept when you're on two wheels - because you're not holding anyone up, not causing any bother.

However, I never filter up the insides of HGVs, and I never push my way through - if the gap is too small, I don't go for it.

 

[Norm]

I agree that 2-wheelers don't queue--jump, but they can annoy those who have to wait in cars. Speed and aggression are the factors for me.

I'll filter most times (by default to the right) but I seldom go to the front as an island puts me at an angle across the traffic. Also, hanging hack a couple of vehicles makes it easier to negotiate my way back into the traffic when it restarts.

 

[Sheffield_Tiger]

If your advantage is at the disadvantage of others, it's queue jumping

If it is not disadvantaging anyone else then its filtering

 

[2Loose]

Filtering is when you get in front of a car at the lights.

Queue jumping is when you get in front of a bike that is already at the lights

 

[Sheffield_Tiger]

Also

Queue Jumping is when a car overtakes a cyclist on the approach to a junction/stationary traffic and then obstructs the cyclist and/or spits his dummy out about "undertaking illegal boo hoo"

 

[Bman]

Yep. What 2Loose and Sheffield_Tiger said

 

[Jonathing]

I've been accused of queueueue jumping by motorists, they didn't seem to understand the fact that it was a queueueue of cars and had it been a queueueue of bike's I'd have waited in it.

 

[MrHappyCyclist]

Each vehicle has its advantages and disadvantages. When the traffic is congested and the cars can't get through, I can use my narrow width and manoeuvrability to get past them and make progress. When there is plenty of space, the cars can use their huge power to weight ratio and speed to get past me (safely!) and make progress.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

I've been accused of queueueue jumping by motorists, they didn't seem to understand the fact that it was a queueueue of cars and had it been a queueueue of bike's I'd have waited in it.

Long queue was it?

EDIT: And on a less flippant note, if the queue is there because of traffic signals installed to prevent cyclists from endangering other road users' lives by holding them back, then forcing yourself to the front might well be queue-jumping. However, as I'm 100% sure that the red light up ahead is there to stop motorised vehicles from endangering other road users' lives, cyclists are only caught up in the rules governing motorised vehicles by default. They are holding cyclists up.

 

[MrHappyCyclist]

I've been accused of queueueue jumping by motorists, they didn't seem to understand the fact that it was a queueueue of cars and had it been a queueueue of bike's I'd have waited in it.

It's interesting that they get annoyed when our relatively slow speed causes them to be held up for a few milliseconds, but its OK when their bloated bulk to causes us to be held up for 15 minutes. And then they have the cheek to say we are queue jumping.

 

[Beebo]

The fact that motorists wont accept is that 99% (ok I made that statistic up) of delaysare caused by other cars. Be it waiting at junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, general congestion etc.

They will sit in a queue(ueueue) of traffic for 45 mins but not realise that the hold up is caused by loads of other cars getting in their way. However, being held up for 20 seconds by a bike is unacceptable.

Cars hold up bikes far more than bikes hold up cars.

 

[Dan B]

Filtering is when you go between the cars. Jumping is when you go over their roofs.

HTH

 

[semislickstick]

How about if you "filter" up to the front of of a queue of say 7-10 ish cars to a roundabout, then wait because you are too slow to pull out into a space that maybe a motor vehicle can.

If a slower car/motorcycle/scooter/cyclist did that to me at a queue, I'd think they were an utter knob.

 

[Norm]

[QUOTE 1553507"] Far more often than not, I pull away onto a roundabout more quickly and into a smaller gap than any car is able to. [/quote] Indeed, although that is often because the car driver is mostly asleep and not looking to blend in, so they'll drive up to the white lines then stop without looking.

When cycling, I like to conserve as much energy as possible and approach roundabouts looking for a reason to go rather than a reason to stop.