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stevevw

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Herts
I am trying to get my head round an eTrex Venture Cx. I have managed to work out most things but I am having trouble seeing the unit on the PC via the USB connection lead. I can down load tracks from Bike Hike but can not from Bike Route Toaster (My preferred mapping) I can't see the unit to down load saved tracks to the PC either. I have put the micro SD card from my 705 with europe maps in to the eTrex.

Any pointers would be great.

 

PpPete

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Chandler's Ford
If it's anything like the Legend HCx

I am having trouble seeing the unit on the PC via the USB connection lead

Menu-Setup-Interface-USB Mass Storage The PC should now see the MicroSD card as just another drive.. E\: or whatever. You cannot see the unit's internal memory on the PC AFAIK.

I can down load tracks from Bike Hike but can not from Bike Route Toaster (My preferred mapping)

Save the GPX onto your hard drive and use Mapsource (software that came with the unit) to send it to your GPS
It's an extra step, but then you have a permanent record of them on your PC

I can't see the unit to down load saved tracks to the PC either

If you are saving your tracks onto the card - then use the mass storage mode as above.
If they are only in the units internal memory you can only transfer them using Mapsource (AFAIK)
 
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stevevw

stevevw

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Location
Herts
If it's anything like the Legend HCx



Menu-Setup-Interface-USB Mass Storage The PC should now see the MicroSD card as just another drive.. E\: or whatever. You cannot see the unit's internal memory on the PC AFAIK.

Just updated the software as the interface icon was not on the unit. I can now see the SD Card.

Save the GPX onto your hard drive and use Mapsource (software that came with the unit) to send it to your GPS
It's an extra step, but then you have a permanent record of them on your PC

No mapsource software came with the unit. I am told that the software is only included on the maps DVD and can not be downloaded by its self. I have had some success using Ride with GPS and Bike Hike but need to learn how to keep the waypoints down so the unit does not truncate the track/route

If you are saving your tracks onto the card - then use the mass storage mode as above.
If they are only in the units internal memory you can only transfer them using Mapsource (AFAIK)

I can transfer the tracks from the units memory to Garmin Connect to view the details.


Any advice on drawing a route within the way point limit?
 

GrumpyGregry

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Any advice on drawing a route within the way point limit?

plot your routw on bikehike, then under options on that site find trackpoint reduction and put in a value of 500 or less. The route can now be downloaded to your etrex without truncation.

if plotting hugely long routes, divide into sections.

the best cycling specific guide to use of an etrex is http://www.aukadia.net/gps/ in my view
 

PpPete

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Location
Chandler's Ford
Mapsource can also "filter" a track down to the 500 point limit, after drawing it out on Bikehike and downloading it.

Surprised you didn't get any Software with the unit ... it came in a envelope called "Trip & Waypoint manager" on both my Legend and my wife's Vista.

There is however "another way" .... I will PM you a link with instructions.
 
Assuming that it isn't something dodgy, why not share it here? Potsy and Svendo were discussing this problem on our recent forum ride.


A quick Google search threw up these pages which offer a mechanism for getting MapSource from Garmin's website without having to purchase a map file.
http://forums.gpsreview.net/viewtopic.php?t=4802
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/...mapsource-for-free-and-install-without-media/


Quite why Garmin don't bundle MapSource (or publicise a download) with all their GPS units is beyond me; my Vista-Cx came with a copy. I've found it very useful for managing the maps I load onto the GPS, all of which are public domain or DIY builds.


- Nigel
 
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stevevw

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Location
Herts
Thanks to you both. I am getting closer.

Got Map sourse up and running ;)

Got Open Street Map installed and working

Can how get routes with the correct amount of way points plotted.

I still can not see the plotted routes on the sd card via the etrex. (drag and Drop from pc) Do I have to place them in a folder?
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
Thanks to you both. I am getting closer.

Got Map sourse up and running ;)

Got Open Street Map installed and working

Can how get routes with the correct amount of way points plotted.

I still can not see the plotted routes on the sd card via the etrex. (drag and Drop from pc) Do I have to place them in a folder?

Being a bikehike-er I always download the route to my etrex from the bikehike site rather than drag'n'drop. They then appear in the track or route list iirc.
 
Thanks to you both. I am getting closer.

Can how get routes with the correct amount of way points plotted.

I still can not see the plotted routes on the sd card via the etrex. (drag and Drop from pc) Do I have to place them in a folder?

Good so far...

Routes - lets be sure we are using the terms that Garmin use in their manuals.
A ROUTE is a collection of points which you plan to traverse over and can navigate from point to point along the Route, a TRACK is a recording of where you have been.


Routes are not stored on the SD card, they are inside the Garmin's internal memory. Different devices support a different number of routes, but I'd guess your device supports between 10 and 20.
If plotted in MapSource, a route can be uploaded to the device.
If stored in the device it can be downloaded to the PC.
(Also numerous other software packages can upload/download route data from the device, I've just been playing with the new OS "GetAMap" service, which offers the whole of the UK on OS 1:50,000 and 1:25,000, basic service is free !).

Tracks are stored in two potential places on the Garmin, depending on settings and capabilities of the device.
The default Tracks are stored in the internal memory. There is an "active track log" and then you have the option in the Garmin to save these as named logs. Like Routes, you can only store a small number of Tracks in the internal memory. Again upload/download via Mapsource or other applications.
The optional place for high resolution Tracks is as GPX files on the SD card. This stores a lot of data, but you need to enable the setting in the Garmin's user interface for Tracks to record to the SD card. Then, if you have set the option in Tracks to "record " (its an on/off radio button on my Vista Cx), the track will also be recorded to the SD card. These GPX files can be downloaded from the SD card, either by converting the Garmin device to work in "mass storage mode", or by removing the card and using a card-reader.
I mostly use the GPX files for logs of where I have been, I have some other software (command line Exif editing scripts) which can match the date/time on my digital camera pictures to the GPX tracks, this can then generate a set of files for viewing in Google Earth showing a track of where I have been with all the photograph positions shown along the track.


You can also upload/download Waypoints via MapSource (and easily change the icons used for the Waypoints).

One additional trick is to use the Garmin POI Loader software (another different download) to create PointsOfInterest files. These are just "spots" or single points which appear on the Garmin display, but I find they are more useful than Waypoints; you cannot accidentally delete or modify a POI from within the Garmin device, and are not using up your limited set of (say) 250 Waypoints.




Final bit of advice; if you have bought Garmin maps on SD cards, don't use those for experiments. Instead get a cheap micro SD card and use that for experimentation just incase you make a mistake and wipe off the data you paid a lot of money for !
In many cases, you can download public domain maps pre-formatted for Garmin direct to the SD card, and then just pop the SD back into the Garmin device; have a search around the OpenStreetMap project for various options including the UK Road Map with Cycle Routes highlighted.


- Nigel
 
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stevevw

stevevw

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Location
Herts
Good so far...

Routes - lets be sure we are using the terms that Garmin use in their manuals.
A ROUTE is a collection of points which you plan to traverse over and can navigate from point to point along the Route, a TRACK is a recording of where you have been.


Routes are not stored on the SD card, they are inside the Garmin's internal memory.

That answers a lot of questions. Thanks so much, I think I should now be able to sort it all out.

the eTrex is so different from the 705 I have been using for the last couple of years where the internal memory part also acts as mass storage device.
 

PpPete

Legendary Member
Location
Chandler's Ford
Assuming that it isn't something dodgy, why not share it here? Potsy and Svendo were discussing this problem on our recent forum ride.

When I posted that, i wasnt sure how long it would take me to find the information and the relevant link so I wouldnt have to type it out again.

But its the same as NigelCliffe's first link anyway.
 

PpPete

Legendary Member
Location
Chandler's Ford
Good so far...

Routes - lets be sure we are using the terms that Garmin use in their manuals.
A ROUTE is a collection of points which you plan to traverse over and can navigate from point to point along the Route, a TRACK is a recording of where you have been.

Bikehike (& others) can create a TRACK that can be followed on screen like a bread crumb trail without the need to create points that the unit navigates between (if it has a "routable" map installed)

One of the problems of ROUTES is that you never know quite whether your GPS unit is going to navigate between the points in the same way as you planned on your PC.

One trick I've learned from experienced audaxers is to create a TRACK of exactly which roads I'm planning to follow, and a ROUTE using waypoints on each instruction of the routesheet. Then when I set out to "navigate" the route I can choose the "off-road" option (so that it take an "as the crow flies" line to the next waypoint)
With other settings and careful choice of waypoint names I can then see the distance to the next instruction "Left @ T junction - or L@T in audaxspeak" for example, counting down in km and then metres as I approach said junction. Bit more jiggery pokery and you can even get it to beep at you and turn on the backlight as the waypoint is approached - a useful aid to see the TRACK both in bright sunlight and at night.

I can point at relevant links if anyone needs instructions on this.
 
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