Falling crime rates

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Ludwig

Hopeless romantic
Location
Lissingdown
I read that there has been quite a fall in crime rates and yet in London 12,000 mobiles, smartphones and tablets are being stolen every month. One reason for the fall is the amount of oestrogen in tap water making men more effeminate and less likely to do crime.
 

vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
I read that there has been quite a fall in reported crime rates


FTFY

I wonder how much of the fall is due to administrative procedures and disenchanted victims no longer bothering to go to the police because they see reporting of some crime as a pointless exercise as 'nothing happens anyway'
 

TVC

Guest
They are only adding oestrogen to tap water in Wales.


On reported crime. My opinion only * Most victims of crime come from the most vunerable areas of society. Targets for crime these days are those in the recent immegrant communities who tend to live in the most deprived areas. Coincedentally, they are those least likely to report crime due to their mistrust of Police and authority developed in the countries they come from.

* Anyone with a proper informed view please correct me.
 

jazzkat

Fixed wheel fanatic.
FTFY

I wonder how much of the fall is due to administrative procedures and disenchanted victims no longer bothering to go to the police because they see reporting of some crime as a pointless exercise as 'nothing happens anyway'

I reckon it's this. My only dealings with the police gave me the impression they didn't want to know.
 

Arch

Married to Night Train
Location
Salford, UK
I assumed it's a factor of non-reporting, although I heard a thing about it on R4 and they said it wasn't based on reported figures, but on independent surveys of the public, their experience and perceptions of crime. I'm still sceptical though. Survey samples can be skewed, no matter how well intentioned.

I suspect many people's threshold of what exactly constitutes crime worth reporting has gone up.
 

Night Train

Maker of Things
Interestingly I saw in the papers that the [reported] crime rate had fallen about 5% but online fraud was up 9%.

I could report enough witnessed crime to push up the crime figures locally but I don't think the Police would take it seriously as much would be considered 'petty'.
I reckon that when society considers crime 'petty' then the incidents of crime would rise but the reporting rate would fall.
 

theclaud

Openly Marxist
Location
Swansea
I read that there has been quite a fall in crime rates and yet in London 12,000 mobiles, smartphones and tablets are being stolen every month. One reason for the fall is the amount of oestrogen in tap water making men more effeminate and less likely to do crime.

:rofl:
 

steve52

I'm back! Yippeee
recorded crime down = its not being recorded ffs, and with 1500 fewer police im not surprised.and having experianced the condicending clap trap spouted by the call center staff, i wouldent call in anything other than the most extream emergency, and only then if i though nobody else had
 

srw

It's a bit more complicated than that...
FTFY

I wonder how much of the fall is due to administrative procedures and disenchanted victims no longer bothering to go to the police because they see reporting of some crime as a pointless exercise as 'nothing happens anyway'
None of it.

The British Crime Survey*, which uses a completely different methodology from the Police Reported Crime statistics (structured interviewing in the same way that market research firms use) also shows a consistent drop in crime.

We have this discussion frequently over in the bearpit, and each time I point out the same thing. You'd have thought that by now someone would have twigged.


*The name may well have changed by now, but it's the same survey.
 

srw

It's a bit more complicated than that...
I assumed it's a factor of non-reporting, although I heard a thing about it on R4 and they said it wasn't based on reported figures, but on independent surveys of the public, their experience and perceptions of crime. I'm still sceptical though. Survey samples can be skewed, no matter how well intentioned.
They can. But this particular survey is undertaken by National Statistics, which has one of the highest set of standards in the business. And it's enormous - tens or hundreds of thousands. The margin of error is of the order of 0.5 percentage points.
 

MontyVeda

a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
it would be interesting to see which types of crime are falling... i.e. theft, violent crime, sex offences, fraud, etc. or it is just 'all' crime is falling in equal measures?
 

swee'pea99

Squire
it would be interesting to see which types of crime are falling... i.e. theft, violent crime, sex offences, fraud, etc. or it is just 'all' crime is falling in equal measures?

An interesting response! Well I never. It would indeed. I believe that among other things, burglaries have fallen consistently, this not least because 'things' have got so much cheaper over the years that many houses have very little worth nicking. Burglary figures used to largely consist of poor people nicking tellies and videos from their neighbours to flog down the pub. That kind of electronic kit has very little resale value these days - and it's harder to physically shift toboot - flat screens being rather more fragile than the old CRTs.

The other factor I've seen noted is that with the extent of CCTV in this country, word's got round that you're now much more likely to be caught than was once the case, which acts as a genuine deterrent.
 

srw

It's a bit more complicated than that...
it would be interesting to see which types of crime are falling... i.e. theft, violent crime, sex offences, fraud, etc. or it is just 'all' crime is falling in equal measures?

The stats by crime type aren't exactly difficult to find - nor are the newspaper reports.
 

Cubist

Still wavin'
Location
Ovver 'thill
You also have to take into account the huge levels of support available for offenders. An awful lot of research shows that it costs far less to support someone away from crime than it does to punish them afterwards. The worst crime rates I remember were in the early 90s when there was something like an 80% correlation between heroin addiction and repeat offenders. People were stealing to support habits.

For the last decade or so the police and partners have concentrated on prevention. Compulsory drug testing on arrest for acquisitive and other "trigger" crimes means that an offender cannot disguise a habit. Anyone testing positive for crack or heroin MUST by law attend an assessment session with a drugs worker. They are given priority access to treatment and rehab if appropriate.

Anyone convicted of acquisitive crime is monitored post conviction. Offenders are banded into risk levels, again, depending on assessments made by police and partners (usually probation and adult services) and intervention is planned and delivered to reduce reoffending. There are three tiers of intervention, depending on offender types, their willingness to engage with support, and what are called their "criminogenic needs" (ie what makes them offend in the first place... poverty, substance misuse, decision making and thinking skills to name but a few). The green band engage well and are given whatever support they need to rehabilitate. The amber band have multiple needs and need pushing in order to make them engage, this is the Prevent and Deter band. Regular targeted intervention and support is given by lead professionals from whichever service is best placed to deal with their needs. Red offenders are most likely to reoffend, have multiple complex needs and fail to engage. They are given every opportunity to get with the programme, but often fail or refuse to the extent that we move onto "catch and control" tactics. These offenders are visited daily by officers from local teams and left in no doubt that they are being monitored and are at constant risk of arrest should step out of line. Disruption tactics include for example making a note of every item of clothing they own, especially footwear, making detection more likely if they leave footwear impressions at scenes of burglaries.

It is no accident that the number of domestic burglaries are falling. Burglaries rarely go unreported, and victims receive platinum service. In our division, the largest division in West Yorkshire, we record fewer than 5 burglaries daily. In my "patch", a residential area of 10,000 dwellings with a population of 30,000 souls, I record one domestic dwelling house burglary per fortnight on average. That's 1.6 burglaries per 1000 population per year, the lowest rate in West Yorks by quite a margin.

There are arguments around acceptable levels of offending, or what the local population will tolerate before reporting. That differs from area to area, and from culture and community to culture and community, but my residents will make phone calls about stuff even I raise an eyebrow at. A stray dog generated six calls on Thursday last week. A got a call from woman who met a man from a dating website and wanted to report that he didn't look like his photo. I get many calls regarding neighbours looking at each other in an unfriendly fashion, whereas in one patch where I worked they only rang in if weapons were actually being used at the time. Different strokes and all that. My lot are NOT afraid to report.
 
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