How will cyclists ever get the respect of road users?

[silverbow]

Ok,

This is distressing for me. I did nothing wrong yet I feel that I did. I can't work, and when I do I am affected by stress and lack of concentration. It is difficult to be motivated. I feel anger and shock.
I know cyclists are the more likely to get injured and therefore the topic of conversation revolves around their needs. However I didn't ask for this to occur but I am left dealing with it and who should I turn to?

Hi diamondwhite,

You can turn to your GP. Go to your GP and explain what has happen and how you feel and how it is affecting you life. Your GP should refer you to counselling, it they don't you can ask them to. The NHS will pick up the tab.

Good luck.

 

[Crankarm]

> How will cyclists ever get the respect of road users?

If cyclists had licences + had to do road-tax i feel there'd be a difference !

I honestly would.

I'd have no qualms about it either.

Yes cyclists had to apply for a vehicle license (although a bicycle is not a vehicle as it has no stand alone means of generating power to propel it like a car, truck or motorcycle) and said license to be dispayed showed under rate "£ 0 " or "zero rated".

Hehehehehehe .

 

[Crankarm]

I don't expect motorcyclists such as yourself to answer for all the times I've seen motorcyclists in the peak district doing about twice the speed limit while cutting a bend or going over a blind summit. Although please feel free to give an explanation as to why your fellow motorcyclists think that the highway code doesn't apply to them here, why they're putting other peoples lives at risk and why so much of local taxpayers money is having to be wasted on policing these roads.

We're not responsible for the behaviour of other people, all we can do is behave in a reasonable manner ourselves.

Yeah I had 3 of these idiot motor bikes fly by me at speeds best left to the race tracks on saturday and a whole group of them on sunday. The noise of the latter was deafening. They scare the crap out of me. They ride far too fast and close. Pulling wheelies at high speed on public roads. I suppose they think they are Valentino Rossi or ........Francis Rossi.

 

[dellzeqq]

anybody who comes on to a cycling forum and gets all moral about having killed a cyclist is clearly
a) at least two slices short of a sandwich
or
a fantasist.

My money's on

 

[Dan B]

although a bicycle is not a vehicle as it has no stand alone means of generating power to propel it like a car, truck or motorcycle

This is incorrect: a bicycle is a vehicle (iirc Local Government Act 18xx and I think established in case law shortly before that). The distinction I think you are looking for is that it is not a mechanically propelled vehicle.

In Roads And The Roadside (1887), Mr Burton Willis Potter rells us that One
Mr. Goodwin sought, in 1879, to have a conviction for "furiously driving a
carriage on a highway" overturned on the grounds that "a bicycle is not a
'carriage' within the meaning of the act[1]"
The Court of Queen's Bench decided that Goodwin had been properly convicted,
and said : "It may be that bicycles were unknown at the time the act was
passed, but the legislature clearly desired to prohibit the use of any sort
of carriage in a manner dangerous to the life and limb of any passenger. The
word 'carriage' is large enough to include a machine, such as a bicycle,
which carries the person who gets upon it, and such person may be said to *
drive ' it. He guides as well as propels it, and may be said to drive it as
an engine-driver is said to drive an engine. The furious driving of a
bicycle is clearly within the mischief of the act, and seems to be within
the meaning of the words, giving them a reasonable construction."

This would seem to give some kind of weight to the notion that a bicycle is
a "carriage" or what we New Elizabethans might other wise call a "vehicle".

 

[bennytheegg]

anybody who comes on to a cycling forum and gets all moral about having killed a cyclist is clearly
a) at least two slices short of a sandwich
or
a fantasist.

My money's on

dellzeqq... bit harsh?

I'm a newbie, so maybe I'm talking out of line, but Cycle Chat's tag line is: "a friendly place for everyone with an interest in cycling" and your comment is a tad unfriendly.

I think if you're a motorcyclist and a cyclist this would be an interesting website for you and you'd be within your right to contribute. This is a very interesting subject, and it's good to have views from the other side of the fence, as it were.

P.s I cycled 80 miles yesterday and didn't RLJ once. Gold star please?!

 

[marinyork]

dellzeqq... bit harsh?

I'm a newbie, so maybe I'm talking out of line, but Cycle Chat's tag line is: "a friendly place for everyone with an interest in cycling" and your comment is a tad unfriendly.

I think if you're a motorcyclist and a cyclist this would be an interesting website for you and you'd be within your right to contribute. This is a very interesting subject, and it's good to have views from the other side of the fence, as it were.

P.s I cycled 80 miles yesterday and didn't RLJ once. Gold star please?!

although cycle chat is a very friendly place commuting is probably the most savage section as crashes, incidents, theory are are scrutinised and people can get very upset. Mention RLJ, helmets or accidents in commuting and it will get very heated. If a newbie comes along and mentions something like that there's a risk they'll be viewed as a false advocate or troll.

There are plenty of motorcyclists on this forum.

 

[purplepolly]

There are plenty of motorcyclists on this forum.

some have even publicly come out as lorry drivers

 

[marinyork]

some have even publicly come out as lorry drivers

 

[Crankarm]

This is incorrect: a bicycle is a vehicle (iirc Local Government Act 18xx and I think established in case law shortly before that). The distinction I think you are looking for is that it is not a mechanically propelled vehicle.

This I am pretty sure is old legislation coruskate and certainly case law from before it will be well old and be obsolete. I'm pretty sure a bicycle is not a vehicle, as you say, it has no means of propulsion other than by the rider.

Perhaps our resident lawyers Patrick or Reggie the User can advise whether a bicycle is a vehicle and the relevant authority.

 

[diamondwhite]

Hi diamondwhite,

You can turn to your GP. Go to your GP and explain what has happen and how you feel and how it is affecting you life. Your GP should refer you to counselling, it they don't you can ask them to. The NHS will pick up the tab.

Good luck.

Thank you for the consideration actually I have made an appointment this Thursday.

anybody who comes on to a cycling forum and gets all moral about having killed a cyclist is clearly
a) at least two slices short of a sandwich
or
a fantasist.

My money's on

I'll take your money but you'll have to wait until after the coroners report before I disclose via PM to a moderator so put something substantial up ready.

As to a) why?

No doubt there are trolls, as well as cynics.


MIB only covers other road users from uninsured or untraceable drivers and not the other way around. My Insurance company says it won't pay for my injuries even thought its f'comp and includes personal accident cover which seems rather strange to me, will have to look into that further. As I'm self employed I will have to check if any of my other insurance will cover my time off work.