ignorance...

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thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
Was on a club ride today (not commuting, but this fits better here). A small group were up ahead and I was just cycling next to my Mum. The road is just a single lane, but enough space for a car and cyclist to pass.

A car comes around the corner so me and Mum start to get in single file (which we all know doesn't happen in a split second). The driver isn't slowing, at all, which makes getting in single file a lot harder. As the driver doesn't appear to be slowing, I just stop having pulled in a bit and the driver then stops next to us. I didn't want to just jump across because I'd of probably just side swiped my Mum.

Had the driver just eased off when she saw us we'd of got in single file, no problem, and neither of our journeys would have been any longer.

Instead of this, she stops next to us and starts doing down her window. While she's doing this I say to her, very calmly and politely "It pays to anticipate the needs of others", or words very similar to that effect. I don't think it's an unfair point and I certainly wasn't being threatening or aggressive (I've got a gob on me if I need it. This didn't!).

When her window was down, I did put my hand on the ledge. This wasn't meant to be hostile, though it probably did come across that way. The women starts to speak angrily, looking like she's about to cry, about how cyclists must never be two across and telling me to get off her car!

I barely get a chance to correct her as she's already driving off. It's a shame that the reason she probably didn't slow down was because of her ignorance about cycling two abreast, which caused a whole problem. Even if we were in the wrong (and as we all know we weren't), you don't just carry on driving at someone, especially when it's a cyclist. My Mum claimed she was driving too fast (around the corner), which I'd disagree with. Her speed was fine, it was the fact that she didn't adjust the speed to the road conditions (eg. two cyclists).

She probably regretted stopping but hopefully for a split second she felt as vulnerable as a cyclist is, without the protection of the shell of a car.

Hopefully this thread doesn't come across as me being an arse, trying to scare some women as that was the furthest thing from what I was trying to do. I was on a club ride (Mum next to me!) so you'd have to do something very serious for me to loose my cool. I don't think this is one of those times where my actions mean she will take it out on the next cyclist (or at least I've very much hope not as that was the furthest thing from my intention). Like I said, not even slightly aggressive, though I do accept putting my hand on her car may come across as hostile (it was much more just a reaction, she wanted to chat).

It's just a shame that some people won't adjust their driving, even if someone else is doing something wrong. I'm by far from perfect at either cycling, or driving, but I do adjust my riding/driving style to avoid conflict (it doesn't matter if I'm in the "right").

Oh well! ;)
 

Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
Sounds like a hugely ignorant woman, not just of the rules of the road but of reasonable behaviour in general. There are times when no matter what you do (yielding, road position, lights, whatever) some people are just going to take exception. A pox on them.

Last Autumn a fat WVM, freshly off his mobile phone informed me that front flashing lights were illegal. Oh the irony!
 
I wouldn't have touched her car,plus I would have probably waited to see what she had to say before I said anything.

Depends how p1553d off I am/was.
 
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thomas

thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
hackbike 666 said:
I wouldn't have touched her car,plus I would have probably waited to see what she had to say before I said anything.

Depends how p1553d off I am/was.

Like I said, I don't want that to come across the wrong way. She opened her window to engage, if a friend pulled over I'd of probably put my hand there too if they wanted a chat.

I wasn't pissed off at all. I didn't really appreciate her driving style, but wasn't going to let it annoy me.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
Sounds like there was nowt you could do. We've all had some bad experience only to really try and restrain what we've said/done only for the other side to come out with something utterly bizarre :evil:.
 
thomas said:
Like I said, I don't want that to come across the wrong way. She opened her window to engage, if a friend pulled over I'd of probably put my hand there too if they wanted a chat.

I wasn't pissed off at all. I didn't really appreciate her driving style, but wasn't going to let it annoy me.

She's not a friend though...and with her driving certainly does not come across as a friend.Technically it's an invasion on their property IMHO and I wouldn't like it myself...so I can see why she got the hump.

If someone say a ped laid a hand on my bike for whatever reason I would get the hump.It's sort of sends a signal to me.That's why I believe I never intentionally touch someones car.

Reminds me of when I had that argument with the cabbie (he stopped for a chat).Same sort of thing but I did not find at anytime I needed to hang onto his window.
 

Bman

Guru
Location
Herts.
he he. Reminds me of a similar situation:

I was riding along a small side street, with parked cars on my right. About 20-30 meters in front, a car pulled out and started to come towards me. She should have waited as I had right of way priority. We both slowed and I held my ground (there wasnt enough room for us to safely pass each other anyway).

When we both came to a stop, she started shouting at me for being on the road, "Cyclists should move out of the way for cars" or something along those lines, through a crack in her window.

I waddled over, squeezing myself between her car and the kerb so I didnt have to shout, at which point she locked her door and wound up her window! I was just going to tell her she was wrong and should re-read the Highway Code! :evil::blush:

(Before I got my camera, so no video)
 
I think there is something in that...perhaps they feel threatened after feeling so safe in their metal boxes then they realise real life exists outside?
 
Motorists think they actually own the roads.
Government needs to educate them all that we all pay for the roads not just motorists.
 
kevin_cambs_uk said:
Motorists think they actually own the roads.
Government needs to educate them all that we all pay for the roads not just motorists.

I don't think it's worldwide though...seems like an attitude problem in this country.
 
User3143 said:
I wouldn't have touched her car or even spoken to the muppet. Not worth it.

Agree with the touching thingy although,when this sort of thing happened to me and that cabbie got the hump with me blowing the horn at him,even though we chatted we didn't really see eye to eye.
 
The muppets are out just now, it must be silly season!
After our Saturday club run, me and a mate were coming back through the heavily congested city centre. At one point we were single file in a 24/7 bus lane, which was also full of buses; my mate pulls alongside to have a chat. This triggers the micra in the traffic lane to complain that cyclists shouldn't be two abreast. He almost missed the lights arguing his point :blush: (arguing is a euphemism). Perhaps we stopped him undertaking for 10m and getting stuck behind a bus (maybe he was a bus spotter) :sad: Surprise Surprise we met him again at the next set of lights he was in a queue a mile or so long.
 

GrasB

Veteran
Location
Nr Cambridge
In a slightly different area but still complete ignorance I had someone berate me yesterday for being in the middle of the road, by in the middle I mean my wheels being about 0.5m from the centre line, signalling to turn right. Apparently cyclists should get off their bike & push it across the road :blush:
 
I had 2 today both drivers honking at me to get on the cycle path, but at 17 mph I aint going on the bike path.

Make a signal for them to pull over to discuss but they both declined, at which point I gave them both 2 fingers ! wrong I know but they piss me off.
 

GrasB

Veteran
Location
Nr Cambridge
I once offered a driver to pass him at 20mph about 1ft away & he told me that I was insane to cycle that fast near a person. I told him thanks for making my point & rode off leaving him looking confused.
 
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