It makes you wonder.

[gavroche]

All the talks about climate change and our part in it due to using fossil fuel etc..... and yet:

before 1856, there were droughts far worse than in 2019 . This is what you could read in the Hampshire Advertised from Southampton on 17 July 1852.

- from 1132 until 1676, ( I will spare you the many different dates ) but many countries in Europe experienced severe droughts so that many large rivers like the Rhin , the Seine , the Loire and Danube could be crossed on foot. In 1646, there was 56 consecutive days of intense heat all over Europe.

- Similar things happened in the 18th century :

In 1718, there was no rain at all from April to October with temperatures reaching 45 degrees.
In 1748,1754, 1760, 1767, 1778 and 1788, harvesting was very poor due to intense heat wave which eventually triggered the French revolution as people were starving.

IN 1835, the river Seine nearly dried up.

In 1967, long before all this talk about climate change, a book called " History about the climate since the year 1000 " was printed and can still be found on Amazon for 9 euros.

Also, 22 000 years ago, the sea level was 110 metres lower that today.

The earth is a living planet that changes constantly over time and is also subject to the sun's influence. We can't change that.

The continent of Africa is beginning to split up, are we responsible for that too?

 

[Drago]

I'm running a book in how long before this one is locked. Any takers for 45 minutes at 8 to 1?

 

[biggs682]

We will be ok till acct rocks up in his Fix It Again Tomorrow 500 I reckon

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

Yes - not checked but probably all true

but a lot of other things have changed in that time that will have had an effect on what happens in dry weather
Clearly Africa splitting has not just recently happened - it is a normal geological event that has been happening for many many decades/centuries - just VERY slowly.


The important point is that we we are not able to observe the changes and understand a lot of them - and work out which ones are caused or accelerated by the influence of humans and "civilisation"
For example, the composition of the atmosphere constantly changes but since the industrial revolution we can see a massive change in the amount of greenhouse gases - such as carbon dioxide and methane
We can also see - and understand - how this produces changes to the climate over the whole world.

This is extremely complicated - when I was at University I did a course on atmospheric chemistry. the Science behind "Global Warming" was becoming known in the Science community but the facts did not match the theory.
This is partly why the term was changed from "global Warming" to "Climate Change " as it has become understood that the changes are far more variable and widespread than first thought.
It turned out that this was because the concept of measuing the "temperature of the Earth" was ill-defined and only when it was better refined could the theory


So - the Earth - or more precisely the atmosphere - will always change, but we are currently doing things ina way that causes these changes to have a mad negative effect on our own existence.
The bits that we can control can be changed.
Other bits - such as Africa splitting - we can do nothing about (at least so far!!!!)

 

[Deleted member 1258]

All the talks about climate change and our part in it due to using fossil fuel etc..... and yet:

before 1856, there were droughts far worse than in 2019 . This is what you could read in the Hampshire Advertised from Southampton on 17 July 1852.

- from 1132 until 1676, ( I will spare you the many different dates ) but many countries in Europe experienced severe droughts so that many large rivers like the Rhin , the Seine , the Loire and Danube could be crossed on foot. In 1646, there was 56 consecutive days of intense heat all over Europe.

- Similar things happened in the 18th century :

In 1718, there was no rain at all from April to October with temperatures reaching 45 degrees.
In 1748,1754, 1760, 1767, 1778 and 1788, harvesting was very poor due to intense heat wave which eventually triggered the French revolution as people were starving.

IN 1835, the river Seine nearly dried up.

In 1967, long before all this talk about climate change, a book called " History about the climate since the year 1000 " was printed and can still be found on Amazon for 9 euros.

Also, 22 000 years ago, the sea level was 110 metres lower that today.

The earth is a living planet that changes constantly over time and is also subject to the sun's influence. We can't change that.

The continent of Africa is beginning to split up, are we responsible for that too?

I've often wondered if all we are doing is speeding up something that would have happened naturally anyway but over a longer time frame.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

jesus wept. @Drago is obviously right that the @Moderators will be along shortly, but there's not point in responding to this hubristic idiocy, as:

Brandolini's law, also known as the bullshit asymmetry principle, is an internet adage coined in 2013 that emphasizes the effort of debunking misinformation, in comparison to the relative ease of creating it in the first place. The law states the following:

The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.

 

[vickster]

You might have more joy on a climate change deniers conspiracy theorist forum @gavroche

 

[roubaixtuesday]

if anyone is interested in the reality of global warming, the "summary for policymakers" from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is the authoritative source.

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/syr/

First paragraph, my bold:

Human activities, principally through emissions of greenhouse gases, have unequivocally caused global warming, with global surface temperature reaching 1.1°C above 1850-1900 in 2011-2020. Global greenhouse gas emissions have continued to increase, with unequal historical and ongoing contributions arising from unsustainable energy use, land use and land-use change, lifestyles and patterns of consumption and production across regions, between and within countries, and among individuals (high confidence).

 

[Drago]

I'm sure if Gavroche had tried a bit harder he could have linked it to the stolen Presidential election, the Freemasons, and the ever shrinking size of Mars Bars.

 

[T4tomo]

this thread is toast, no matter what side you butter it on.

 

[classic33]

this thread is toast, no matter what side you butter it on.

But place it, buttered side up, on the back of a cat before dropping it.

 

[ExBrit]

It doesn't matter if we caused the problem or not. It will hurt us and we can fix it. So we need to.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Mod note:

NCAP for this discussion please.