Lance Armstrong...again....sorry...but
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mark st1
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Aye that Peter Shilton geezer was a right boundah....Maradona is a hero in Jockland
Crankarm
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Not another LA thread.
deptfordmarmoset
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More heinous than Hein himself.
vernon
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You mean Hitler as in Hein Hitler?
deptfordmarmoset
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No, Hein Verbruggen, receiver of bribery fees from Lance to the UCI. He's one of the few people in cycling to have deserved his own adjective.
snorri
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It'll be OK Crankarm, I doubt if it will reach a second page unless some ******** mentions helmets.
swee'pea99
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Not to defend him - he gives every impression of being an peanut - but the situation is surely muddied by the fact that during the whole period he was competing, the entire sport was, by common consent, absolutely awash with drugs. Indeed he apparently refers at one point in his self-justification to doping up 'to achieve a level playing field'.
It seems pretty much certain that if he hadn't won all those Tours, they would've been won by someone else on drugs. Surely to be a 'cheat of cheats', you'd have to be grabbing yourself an unfair advantage. Since the competition was for the most part 'cheating' equally, it's not entirely clear that that's the case.
It seems pretty much certain that if he hadn't won all those Tours, they would've been won by someone else on drugs. Surely to be a 'cheat of cheats', you'd have to be grabbing yourself an unfair advantage. Since the competition was for the most part 'cheating' equally, it's not entirely clear that that's the case.
deptfordmarmoset
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That's one of the big questions. Had he been clean amongst a clean field, it's actually quite possible that he would have been a real champion. We'll never really know. All we know is that he took winning with EPO to a new level.
snorri
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This thead is too dirty for the Cafe, the ministry of public health and hygene will be closing the place down at daybreak.
for sustained cheating by an individual, running a system that went across his teams, lying, and, indeed, perjuring............I make you right. I don't see anybody close. Barry Bonds did it for years. Florence Griffith-Joyner and Ben Johnson broke records, and cyclists of all stripes, going back a hundred years have used everything from cocaine to speed, but for sheer scale, breadth and chutzpah, not to mention profit, Armstrong is the top or very close to it,
Radchenister
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Ah, Tonya Harding - the real life inspiration for Blades of Glory: 'They laughed at Louis Armstrong when he said he was going to the moon and now he's up there laughing at them'.
vernon
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Does anyone really care what others think? The repeated resurrection of indignant postings and posturings is like picking at a scab the wound can never heal until it's left alone. Armstrong's position is established on everyones scale of opprobium and is unlikely to be changed by threads such as this.
Now if this was a thread about the position of Kate Mosse, no not that Kate Moss, on the allure scale of thinking mans' pin ups I might be prepared to squander a lot more electrons posting pointless musings.
Now if this was a thread about the position of Kate Mosse, no not that Kate Moss, on the allure scale of thinking mans' pin ups I might be prepared to squander a lot more electrons posting pointless musings.
