More Must overtake the cyclist - Video

[TwickenhamCyclist]

Must overtake the cyclist

Pretty typical examples of “must get past the cyclist” driving that seems to be reaching epidemic proportions round here, (along with using the hand held while driving).

Not dangerous, just inconsiderate IMHO and show a lack of thinking ahead by drives. It's not how I would drive. I’m sure it’s all pretty familiar stuff to the rest of you – these happened within a few hundred yards of each other.

Following these two I nearly got taken out on a mini roundabout by inattentive driver joining form the left (my bars were already turning to the right, so the camera didn’t pick that one up properly) and then had another WVM decide to overtake me while I was doing 20mph and he was doing 20.000001mph - took him about 20 minutes before he floored it (again, no real footage)… Ho Hum, wonder what fun I’ll have on the way home?


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcnFuq2tJJk&feature=channel

 

[Eat MY Dust]

It's a shame to say it, but pretty standard stuff. How many people would pass their test if they had to resit it?

 

[Joe24]

I had a learner driver pass me, just before a blind courner. I went past him on the courner and just kept powering around the other 2 tight blind courners. When he came past later, he had an examiner sat next to him, with his yellow tabbard on and a clip board. Wonder if anything was done for the overtake just before a blind courner, he just needed to do some forward thinking, i wasnt going slow, ding 22mph and kept the speed through the courner aswell.
On the second bit of the vid with the silver car when you under took it, i would of over took it, then sat on the right hand side of the bus, rather then the left hand side of the bus. But thats just me, better then being right on the left i think.

 

[thomas]

I had a learner driver pass me, just before a blind courner. I went past him on the courner and just kept powering around the other 2 tight blind courners. When he came past later, he had an examiner sat next to him, with his yellow tabbard on and a clip board. Wonder if anything was done for the overtake just before a blind courner, he just needed to do some forward thinking, i wasnt going slow, ding 22mph and kept the speed through the courner aswell.

I overtook a learner in a 30mph zone on Saturday as they were going sooo slowly. I did it partly to make a point, and partly because as it was slightly down hill I could do it without just getting infront and then slowing everyone down.

I'd of got in trouble for not doing 30mph in a 30 zone, from my instructor, when I was learning.

 

[HLaB]

On the learner theme, I had one pull out on me earlier (he been parked along side the kerb); he never indicated and I was 75% past (zero marks to him and his instructor for observation); I hope he wasn't on his test or he failed (then again maybe he got bonus points for that) Unsurprisingly he never managed to overtake despite the road being 9m wide and zero other traffic.

 

[magnatom]

I overtook a learner in a 30mph zone on Saturday as they were going sooo slowly. I did it partly to make a point, and partly because as it was slightly down hill I could do it without just getting infront and then slowing everyone down.

I'd of got in trouble for not doing 30mph in a 30 zone, from my instructor, when I was learning.

Thomas, just a couple of strange things you said there I wanted to clarify.

Why did you feel the need to make a point to a learner driver? Generally I will hang back and give them space, they are learning after all. Nothing gained by making a point IMO.

Also, why would your instructor give you trouble for not doing 30mph? 30mph is the limit, not a figure to aim for. What speed do you estimate he was doing?

 

[Eat MY Dust]

I often pass learner drivers. Usually with a big smile on my face.

 

[magnatom]

I often pass learner drivers. Usually with a big smile on my face.

Aye, nothing wrong with passing them, but it is just strange to say 'to make a point'.

 

[PBancroft]

It's a shame to say it, but pretty standard stuff. How many people would pass their test if they had to resit it?

Another reason why I think putting points on a licence is a joke. Its like saying that the mere passage of time can make people better drivers.

 

[HF2300]

I'd of got in trouble for not doing 30mph in a 30 zone, from my instructor, when I was learning.

Also, why would your instructor give you trouble for not doing 30mph? 30mph is the limit, not a figure to aim for. What speed do you estimate he was doing?

Used to be the case that you were supposed to keep up with the flow of traffic - i.e. not meander along at 15 mph in a 30 zone causing an obstruction. Still is really. However, that meant driving at a speed consistent with the road conditions, weather, hazards, traffic and posted limits, not always doing 30 in a 30 zone.

Why did you feel the need to make a point to a learner driver? Generally I will hang back and give them space, they are learning after all. Nothing gained by making a point IMO.

Can't help feeling half the problems on the road are caused by drivers making points rather than just driving sensibly.

 

[Downward]

Makes you wanna slam your hand on the proverbial horn when cars do that to you. I tend to overtake them to make a point.

 

[Joe24]

I love to sit behind them, really close when they are going slow, shouting, "Come on you big jessy, go faster!!!!"
And when then stall, i shout "HAHAA!! Your crap, get a move on" while track standing

 

[Dan B]

Now now, tailgating is not big or clever.

I do it anyway though, it's that or touch the brakes and I don't like to lose momentum unnecessarily.

 

[thomas]

Why did you feel the need to make a point to a learner driver? Generally I will hang back and give them space, they are learning after all. Nothing gained by making a point IMO.

The word point gives the wrong idea. If I wanted to make a point I'd of gone past like a t*at with the air horn blaring, yelling "speed up". I mearly overtook, quite safely, like any motorcyclist would have, or the cars would have, had there been space and it safe for them....there's a clip of it, on my newest video, on my youtube page if you want to check that.

Also, why would your instructor give you trouble for not doing 30mph? 30mph is the limit, not a figure to aim for. What speed do you estimate he was doing?

If it's safe to do it, do it. If it was icy, pouring with rain, dark, then I can understand going a bit slower. At the time, it was perfectly fine. My instructor didn't really give me "trouble" for it...just, when going up some hills if the speed dropped a bit then he'd just say apply a little more power, etc.

As for speed, I initially thought that someone was turning off the road and that was why it was slow there (common occurrence), then I looked through the car windows and noticed the L plates (and my "must get pass" mentality kicked in ). I think the learner was probably going around 20-25mph...nearer 25mph when I overtook I would have thought, but I wasn't watching my speedo, I was watching the road.

With the learner, I didn't rush in front at all costs, just to be able to overtake. If the car on the other side of the road hadn't turned right when it did there probably would have been little point.

Perhaps he was making the point of doing 30mph in a 30mph zone? On a good clear day you should be doing at 30mph easy.

Yeah, basically.

 

[theboytaylor]

But you don't HAVE to do 30 in a "30 Zone" - unless it's got a blue sign with white writing which means MINIMUM speed limit. The more common red ringed sign with black writing on a white background means MAXIMUM speed limit, so doing "20-25mph" is perfectly acceptable. Fair enough, you would hope that people would keep up a reasonable speed to allow the flow of traffic, but everyone's different.

I remember back (just!) to when I learnt to drive and speeds up to 30 were fine and the first time I went into a 50 zone the change in speed was pretty disconcerting. Paying attention to everything going on when you're learning is difficult because you are held to a higher standard than you drive at afterwards (even though that shouldn't be the case). Maybe the learner was getting used to the speed, road positioning, etc?

Clearly that's speculation but you can't complain about car drivers' "must get past" attitude when a learner - a NEW - driver is then expected to drive right at the maximum speed limit all the time just cos most drivers (me included, I admit) do so.