Real world experience with ceramic hub bearings

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Lymm looper

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Has anyone out there got any real world or practical experience with hybrid ceramic bearings. I have bought some enduro ceramic hybrid bearings for my mavic cosmics but i'm in two minds as to whether to fit them. One site i spotted mentioned problems with the bearings grinding the chromium steel races and causing early rust contamination. All products have a few people who think it's rubbish so I wasn't sure if this was of any real concern or not.
 
The hybrid bit just means that they have ceramic balls and steel cases which all the ceramic bearings I have seen have.

I have just used Campagnolo Cult (expensive) and regular (stock on Chorus type gear) ceramic Ultra Torque external BB bearings which have to take a lot of punishment and haven't experienced any additional problems compared to the cheap steel UT bearings.

I suspect the majority of ceramic bearing would be fine but :

a) problems may be specific to design and only relate to a particular make.

b) Some ceramic bearings are designed to run without grease such as the Campagnolo Cult bearings. These spin forever when flicked and it may be that some normal bearings have minimal grease inserted to sell them - these would wear out quickly.
 

gbb

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Peterborough
The hybrid bit just means that they have ceramic balls and steel cases which all the ceramic bearings I have seen have.

I have just used Campagnolo Cult (expensive) and regular (stock on Chorus type gear) ceramic Ultra Torque bearings which have to take a lot of punishment and haven't experienced any additional problems compared to the cheap steel UT bearings.

I suspect the majority of ceramic bearing would be fine but :

a) problems may be specific to design and only relate to a particular make.

b) Some ceramic bearings are designed to run without grease such as the Campagnolo Cult bearings. These spin forever when flicked and it may be that some normal bearings have minimal grease inserted to sell them - these would wear out quickly.
Ref point b ...are you saying some have grease inserted simply to appease ill informed consumer expectations ? I have no experience of ceramics but would be interested to know.

Under normal circumstances, grease extends bearing life...but the downside is friction. Rather than more grease in a bearing, you want less, as less will increase efficiency...but decrease life.
This can be overcome by a little thing called maintenance. Run with less grease, but increase the maintenance, eg strip and grease more frequently to maintain efficiency AND life of the bearing.

As an example, I fitted low friction bearings to one of myBBs. Without a chain on, they spun fantastically, just on and on. As soon as I fitted the outer seals of the BB (not the bearing seals) and smeared some extra grease between the two to prevent water ingress, all the lovely spinning effect was lost. Friction. Same if you overpack your bearings.
In the end, I removed the grease between the bearings and BB seals and opted for more frequent inspections.
 

Mr Haematocrit

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I exclusively run ceramic speed bearings on all my wheels and BB's I also run ultimate ceramic bearing jockey wheels. I find they reduce friction and when descending down hills there are very few people I do not have to brake for to prevent running into the back of them. On the downside I find them a little more successful at picking up grit during wet weather
 
Ref point b ...are you saying some have grease inserted simply to appease ill informed consumer expectations ? I have no experience of ceramics but would be interested to know.

No the opposite - take the grease out of any bearing and it runs a lot better but doesn't last very long.

A lot of old time pro's used a light oil in the hubs as the best compromise.
 

gbb

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Location
Peterborough
No the opposite - take the grease out of any bearing and it runs a lot better but doesn't last very long.

A lot of old time pro's used a light oil in the hubs as the best compromise.
Excellent, exactly what I thought would be the case. More or less exactly what I was talking about above.

Oil in the hub, I mentioned this in another post the other day, i wish they'd re-introduce the old oiling points in hubs...bugger, they used to spin and spin and spin in the old days, even cheap wheels ran free as a bird.
 
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