Suspended term for 156mph motorbiker
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fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
If you look at the stills from the video below, you can see how it happened..... car pulled out to overtake another, then these two are speeding along coming up to the rear of the cars....go to overtake and bang....... into a van......... stupid.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...road-death-camera-race-motorbikes-170mph.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...road-death-camera-race-motorbikes-170mph.html
thomas
the tank engine
- Location
- Woking/Norwich
Unfortunately I don't really have any sympathy.
ComedyPilot
Secret Lemonade Drinker
- Location
- The Kingdom of Yorkshire
The riding in the video (BBC) is typical of 'straight line' merchants.
What I would like to ask, is what part did the dark car in front play in the crash?
In the first pic it is clear to see there are vehicles on coming, the silver mondeo is clearly to the nearside, and the dark car (Astra?) is close behind it and more central in the carriageway. The bike that crashes looks like it is leaning to the offside (starting to overtake). At this point the time on the video is ??:32:23.
At time 41:34:19, less than 2 seconds later(?) the crash picture shows the silver mondeo clearly to the nearside, and the Astra level or slightly ahead of it and straddling the central hatching. There is clearly debris as a result of the collision between the bike and the Astra, and the white van is closing.
The paper then goes on "Minutes later Mr Prowse overtook a Ford Mondeo at 100mph, clipped a hatchback and was thrown under a van."
Yes, the motorcyclist paid for his recklessness with his life, but there is no mention of the court's view on the involvement of the Astra driver, whose actions in my eyes had to be at least a contributory factor?
What I would like to ask, is what part did the dark car in front play in the crash?
In the first pic it is clear to see there are vehicles on coming, the silver mondeo is clearly to the nearside, and the dark car (Astra?) is close behind it and more central in the carriageway. The bike that crashes looks like it is leaning to the offside (starting to overtake). At this point the time on the video is ??:32:23.
At time 41:34:19, less than 2 seconds later(?) the crash picture shows the silver mondeo clearly to the nearside, and the Astra level or slightly ahead of it and straddling the central hatching. There is clearly debris as a result of the collision between the bike and the Astra, and the white van is closing.
The paper then goes on "Minutes later Mr Prowse overtook a Ford Mondeo at 100mph, clipped a hatchback and was thrown under a van."
Yes, the motorcyclist paid for his recklessness with his life, but there is no mention of the court's view on the involvement of the Astra driver, whose actions in my eyes had to be at least a contributory factor?
PBancroft
Senior Member
- Location
- Winchester
Errr.... wow.
Anyway, I am somewhat saddened to see there is no mention of what effect the suspended sentence has had upon this person's licence. Will they be allowed back on the road again, if so, why...?
thomas
the tank engine
- Location
- Woking/Norwich
ComedyPilot said:
I'd want to see the whole clip before jumping to conclusions. I think, in the end of the day, they gambled their lives and one of them lost.
I remember this all too well, as I live and work not more than half a mile from the scene of this crash!! Just down the road from the crash at the Loggans Moor roundabout is a Mcdonalds where every Tuesday hundreds of bikers gather.
the speeds at which these people get up to on the hayle bypass is bloody lethal and there have been about 10 accidents in the past 4 years mostly fatal!! And usuall involving bikers!
The only sympathy I have are with the riders families and the poor couple in the camper van coming the other way!
the speeds at which these people get up to on the hayle bypass is bloody lethal and there have been about 10 accidents in the past 4 years mostly fatal!! And usuall involving bikers!
The only sympathy I have are with the riders families and the poor couple in the camper van coming the other way!
ComedyPilot
Secret Lemonade Drinker
- Location
- The Kingdom of Yorkshire
thomas said:
I have seen the BBC clip which shows the speeding, clearly very fast.
I don't understand what you mean about jumping to conclusions - I certainly aren't.
I am writing about pure data. The speed indicated on the bike is a fact, the position of the relevant vehicles in the pictures and the timing on the video is a fact.
I have only asked a question, how did the Astra come to be straddling the white lines in the middle of the road when there were oncoming vehicles?
That isn't jumping to a conclusion, it is asking for explanation.
Yes, the bikes were overtaking at speed and one of the riders paid with their life, but the question still remains, what view did the court have of the actions of the Astra driver?
The fact there was contact between it and the bike makes it relevant, the fact on video there are clearly on-coming vehicles makes the Astra's position in the second picture relevant.
I am asking questions the majority of public don't see as they take journalists word as gospel.
I just took one look at the pictures and have an opinion on how it happened, I am just interested (and amazed) that no-one seems to find the Astra drivers actions to be in any way contributory to the collision, when as clearly depicted in the images they are.
The people that have wrote that the biker 'got what he deserved' due to his speeding have expressed their opinion, but is that not jumping to a conclusion?
God, I love a good debate.
Crankarm
Guru
- Location
- Nr Cambridge
Another idiot has thankfully removed himself from the gene pool.
ferret fur
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Roseburn
There is a video clip which shows most of it. It looks like the astra is actually signally to overtake (albeit in a poor place to do it with oncoming traffic) & the guy on the bike is hitting about 90mph & can't stop in time. Wouldn't have thought you could really blame the astra driver in the circumstances.
Stupid way to go... :-(
Stupid way to go... :-(
2Loose
Guru
- Location
- Loughborough, Leicestershire.
I think speed has it's place when it is safe and not inconsiderate to do so. This obviously wasn't.
From the vid, I see the biker making a risky and fast overtake at speed when the Astra started to manoeuvre without checking (or seeing...mirror signal, manoe...) the bikers position and speed. The biker hadn't foreseen this and is effectively pushed into the path of oncoming traffic... Two bits of bad driving. 1 fatality and a bunch of horribly affected people. It is impatience, not speeding on its own, that kills.
From the vid, I see the biker making a risky and fast overtake at speed when the Astra started to manoeuvre without checking (or seeing...mirror signal, manoe...) the bikers position and speed. The biker hadn't foreseen this and is effectively pushed into the path of oncoming traffic... Two bits of bad driving. 1 fatality and a bunch of horribly affected people. It is impatience, not speeding on its own, that kills.
Mr Celine
Discordian
- Location
- Waxing my moustache
ComedyPilot said:
Perhaps because it was overtaking?
In the earlier photo the Astra appears to be indicating. The later photo shows that there is (just) room to overtake without fouling the oncoming lane. The lines bordering the hatched area are broken so it is not illegal to use or straddle the hatched area. Even if the Astra driver mirror-signal-manoeuvred the deceased was travelling so much faster than the rest of the traffic that the Astra driver may not have noticed him or may have misjudged his speed.
