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Just call me Chris...
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- Sittingbourne, Kent
VED - Help please!!!
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dan_bo
How much does it cost to Oldham?
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www.ipayroadtax.com goes into detail on all this, might be a useful resource for you.
Sh4rkyBloke
Jaffa Cake monster
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- Manchester, UK
Following the link at the bottom of that page takes you to a VED calculator, it's only called car tax because people would probably claim that they "thought Tax had been abolished, Guv... so I didn't tax it" if they changed to using VED instead.
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Panter
Just call me Chris...
- Location
- Sittingbourne, Kent
Fabulous, thanks chaps 
automatic_jon
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It even says vehicle tax on the website, ie. tax on owning the vehicle rather than tax to use the road. Which motorists do under licence where as pedestrians, cyclists and horses use it by right of way.
I would drop the old semantics argument if it were me. Doesn't get you anywhere. Indeed, I always think of it as the 'tax disc' especially when I have to make my annual pilgrimage to the Post Office* to buy another one.
Bit like the "MOT certificate". That's what it's called, that's what it's always been called, you'd baffle your listeners if you called it anything else.
But "always"? No. When it was first introduced, in the 1960s, it was referred to as the "ten year test", soon shortened to "seven year test" and finally "three year". No mention of any Ministry. Only later did it become "MOT". And then, for a while in the 1970s, the MOT was absorbed into the good old Department of Environment, it became "DoE" for a while. Honest fact: I still have one or two ancient MOT certificates lying around that have "DoE" at the top instead of "MOT". But no-one actually called it that. "MOT" as far as I'm concerned.
Back to tax discs. Call them just that, "tax disc" and that conveniently obfuscates whatever the tax is actually for. And no-one can dispute that it certainly is a disc: i.e. a circle of paper with perforations round the edge...
*I insist on buying it over the counter. No mail-order or online stuff for me!
Bit like the "MOT certificate". That's what it's called, that's what it's always been called, you'd baffle your listeners if you called it anything else.
But "always"? No. When it was first introduced, in the 1960s, it was referred to as the "ten year test", soon shortened to "seven year test" and finally "three year". No mention of any Ministry. Only later did it become "MOT". And then, for a while in the 1970s, the MOT was absorbed into the good old Department of Environment, it became "DoE" for a while. Honest fact: I still have one or two ancient MOT certificates lying around that have "DoE" at the top instead of "MOT". But no-one actually called it that. "MOT" as far as I'm concerned.
Back to tax discs. Call them just that, "tax disc" and that conveniently obfuscates whatever the tax is actually for. And no-one can dispute that it certainly is a disc: i.e. a circle of paper with perforations round the edge...
*I insist on buying it over the counter. No mail-order or online stuff for me!
Lizban
New Member
- Location
- Blackheath, London
Car tax is the common parlance - I also happen to think that most drivers know that VED / fuel duty doesn't go directly on the roads (and it appears to annoy a number of them!)
HJ
Cycling in Scotland
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- Auld Reekie
Panter said:
Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) is a tax on motor vehicles, so yes it could be called "car tax", but it is not a road tax.
Having paid for three of the bloody things in the last week, the forms are "Renewal Reminders for a Tax Disc" and the discs themselves have either Road Tax or Licence Tax written on them.
Along the lines of "If it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck...", then if the DVLA call it a tax disc, I reckon that makes it a tax disc.
Along the lines of "If it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck...", then if the DVLA call it a tax disc, I reckon that makes it a tax disc.
Call it what you like, but all roads except motorways and some trunk roads are paid for out your local council tax. Motorways etc. are paid for out of general taxation, a minuscule part of which would come from VED.
Call it 'car tax' by all means, but 'road tax' is completely inaccurate.
Call it 'car tax' by all means, but 'road tax' is completely inaccurate.
XmisterIS
Purveyor of fine nonsense
Panter said:
You may confidently point out to whoever gave you that link that they have quite conclusively shot themselves in the foot - they have pissed on their own parade, popped their own balloon, kicked the ball into their own goal, shat in their own bed. Call it what you will.
Why?
Well, tell them to have a look at the link they gave you ... a close look ... the rate of tax payable is based upon vehicle emissions. When a vehicle produces less than 100 g/km of CO2 then no vehicle tax is payable on that vehicle.
Now then, how many grams of CO2 per km does a cyclist produce?
Answer - only what is produced by the human body during respiration - which is most definitely less than 100g/km!
I rest my case.
