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Any coppers on here? Is my hi-viz legal?

Discussion in 'Commuting' started by Maz, 11 Sep 2012.

  1. classic33

    classic33 Legendary Member

    http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/mens rea

    Someone has already mentioned the fancy dress side of things & whether that could be construed as impersonating a police officer. I thought that clothing/item had to be bought with the sole intent of impersonating a police officer. Or obtained by illegal means, if official items.
    I have the same type of vest, bought from probably the same source & to date have encountered no problems whilst wearing it. I have even asked the police, prior to using it where I stood & they could find nothing wrong.

    If we are going down that road, how can the choice of mobile phone be construed as impersonating a police officer. This done after helping two BTP Officers floor someone trying to get away. Sorry for asking this Maz, on your thread. Its just that two BTP Officers mistook me for CID, because of what was being worn, clothing wise.
  2. CopperCyclist

    CopperCyclist Über Member

    Forget a sec about what's being worn. When Drago mentioned 'mens rea' it mean what's in the suspects mind. As project Minority Report is still under development, the only way to find out what is in a suspects mind is to question them about it. This could lead to 'official' questioning at a police station.

    What we all agree on though, is that you are very, very unlikely to meet a police officer with a warped enough view on the world to truly believe that mens rea is present and do this!

    I'm not sure what you mean by choice of mobile phone? As for helping the BTP officers, fair play to you. I suspect they mistook you for CID mostly due to the fact that we rarely get assistance from the public in that way, so again, fair play!
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  3. Crankarm

    Crankarm Veteran

    Nr Cambridge
    Could the POLICE ever be mistaken for being POLITE .................

    The only police hi-viz should attract is the fashion police.
  4. Mugshot

    Mugshot Über Member

    Many, many moons ago a couple of my friends and I were enjoying a flagon of finest corner shop cider in the local park, one of our buddies disappeared for about 10 minutes, reappeared then carried on enjoying the refreshments. A couple of minutes after he had got back a squad car pulled up with a couple of officers. Cue some frantic stashing of the booze whilst assuming "butter wouldn't melt" expressions while we prepared to have our collars felt. However the officers proceeded to give my friend a row for impersonating a police officer, threatening to take him down the station, call his parents etc etc. My friend was wearing a fishtail parka (complete with target on the back) dogtooth trousers, and bowling shoes. Don't know to this day what he'd been doing in THAT get up to impersonate a policeman :wacko:
    Either way, I have no idea of the legalities of wearing your jacket, but I for one like it and if it were me I'd continue to wear until told I wasn't allowed to, and then I'd put it on again the next day as the chances of being stopped by the same copper are probably pretty slim :evil:
  5. Cyclopathic

    Cyclopathic Veteran

    Can I be arrested for impersonating a criminal?
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  6. Drago

    Drago Flaccid Member

    I think my biggest concern would be that touched on by my esteemed colleague CopperCyclist.

    Most dibble go out of their way while off duty to do nothing to mark them out as Feds. Reason being is there is a small but active sector of society that make a sport out of doing nasty things to coppers, ranging from verbal abuse, spitting, up through physical assaults, assaults with weapons, right through to attempts at killing them. If some hoodie sees you going in to your house and thinks youre a copper then you've got serious problems. VWhen you're on duty you got your body armour, spray, peg (In my case I'm still authorised to carry the PR24), and most importantly your Airwaves radio. Off duty you got south of sod all. Sooner or later some nasty sod will have a pop and it won't be nice.

    And let's be honest - people don't buy this kit to proclaim to the world what good manners they have, and to highlight this with chequered ciphers. They buy them to convey the impression to other road users that they are coppers, and thus hope to enjoy better treatment from those other road users.

    If you feel the need to wear a florrie then go for it, but doing anything to give people the impression you are dibble will sooner or later backfire big time. I really don't care much about the legalities (unless someone complained about it), but to choose to go out in out in public and convey the impression that you a wooden top is something that no off duty copper would consider due to concerns over their own safety.
  7. semislickstick

    semislickstick Senior Member

    ...or an equivalent EC (like the easier to find B&M German standard!)
  8. GrasB

    GrasB Veteran

    Nr Cambridge
    I have a StVZO rear light, it's not the light that people see however.

    Don't you mean the StVZO German standard? B+M make lights, they aren't the standard ;)
  9. semislickstick

    semislickstick Senior Member

    When it said EC standard, I take it to mean another countries standard in the EC. Like BS is as good as the German standard if it came down to proving you had ok lights. My B&M lights are the minimum German standard...and some. They are meant for use on the road unlike some uber bright off road lights. Though I don't know if any one has used that against a cyclist in an accident yet...or have they?
  10. GrasB

    GrasB Veteran

    Nr Cambridge
    Certainly the higher end StVZO front lights are more than up to the job but the but I've not seen a StVZO rear light which was effective in thick mist I deal with at the distances required by high speed roads.
  11. classic33

    classic33 Legendary Member

    Intention when wearing it, the Polite Hi-Vis, is to get myself noticed. I have worn works provided ones, to & from work as well as plain Hi-Vis vests. Any with something on the back, in print, seems to cause a person following, in/on any vehicle, to take a second look. In doing so, they are acknowledging my presence. Its not about trying to fool anyone, its to get them to notice me on the road.

    The mobile phone side. I have an Ericsson R250 & that gets more questions asked than the Hi-Vis. Bought when its use was required outside, whatever the weather. The BTP & station staff did mistake me for CID. Result of that was a call asking which force I was with. I'd left name & number as requested by them.

    Despite what has been said elsewhere, by myself, on here. I'll help if I can which is what was done there, no intention of mis-leading anyone, but it ended up that way.