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bpsmith

Veteran
Well I've always used hot water and washing up liquid to clean my bikes and a hose pipe to rinse them down, never ever had a problem with the finish of the paint deteriorating on any of my bikes. So gawd knows why you are spreading this climate of fear that bikes that are not being cleaned as per your regime will suddenly dissolve into dust is bewildering. The only salt that kills a bike or more precisely the components is road salt from winter riding, but Fairy liquid no chance. I suppose if you left all the foamy bubbles on it and didn't rinse them off with the hose then maybe after 10 million years it might finally disintegrate into dust but I think you and I and our grandchildren might be well dead by then. Cassettes, deraillieurs, chain and chain sets I take off to clean with engine degreaser relube then re-fit.
Pretty strong reply, stating claims that I have not said! Nice one! Who says any of the above regimes are correct? I didn't but you certainly seem to think washing up liquid is the only way to go!

I have seen the effects on car paintwork which dulls very quickly when no protection added afterwards. Surely this translates to all painted products. If sealed or waxed afterwards then its a different story.

Let people have their opinions...
 

Crankarm

Guru
Location
Nr Cambridge
Pretty strong reply, stating claims that I have not said! Nice one! Who says any of the above regimes are correct? I didn't but you certainly seem to think washing up liquid is the only way to go!

I have seen the effects on car paintwork which dulls very quickly when no protection added afterwards. Surely this translates to all painted products. If sealed or waxed afterwards then its a different story.

Let people have their opinions...

Well the paint work on all my bikes is fine.

Indeed, indeedy deedy.

See the thing that troubles me with cleaning regimes such as yours which I am sure is perfectly good as you say, but rather unnecessary, is that you are suggesting to people the need to buy such cleaning products and that these products are generally quite expensive. You don't like washing up liquid even if it is expensive Fairy Liquid or such similar as it is cheap in comparison to purchasing no end of the supposedly you must have this cleaning product for your bike other wise you are doing it serious harm which is nonsense. It's the same with chain lubes and degreasers. Pretty much all bicycle chain lubes are extremely expensive giving you a tiny volume and none of them are any good in the real world of every day riding. As soon as one droplet of drizzle appears, that's it, the lube has disappeared faster than a gutter press journalist's notebook full of phone numbers they shouldn't have. But people buy them as they are told and convinced that there is nothing else that works and to justify this the manufactures put a huge price on them top try to justify their claims which makes the liquid even more expensive than liquid gold! The best chain lube is chain saw oil as surprisingly it is deigned for chains, is sticky so stays on a chain even during prolonged periods of bad weather, it is light and it is most importantly far cheaper than specialist bicycle lubes. £4 for one litre not £9.99 for 50ml!!!!!!
 
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bpsmith

Veteran
@Crankarm is putting words in other peoples post yet again.

I never mentioned any expensive products!?!

Car shampoo is hardly expensive?

The Sealant I use is more expensive than Mr Sheen, yes, but a single application lasts for at least 6-9 months, depending on what is used to clean the bike. It's applied in a very thin coat and the bottle lasts for years.

How many cans of Mr Sheen do you get through per year in comparison?

Simple economics. Multiple x Cheap often exceeds Single x More Expensive.

Now I think we have had enough of the trolling.
 

zacklaws

Guru
Location
Beverley
Fairy Liquid and similar products with salt in have never had any adverse effects on any of my bikes over the years, whether its on protected or unprotected metal. My normal routine these days is to use cheap neat supermarkets own brand washing up liquid to not only clean the bike but also clean and degrease the chain, cassette and chainrings and I've never seen any salt damage to any of those parts. My bikes probably get exposed for a longer time to more salt from the roads riding them in one winter than the total amount of washing up liquid they see in a lifetime, but by washing it off after every ride, I never see any damage caused by it.

End of the day, we are just cleaning our bikes in it and then washing it off, not leaving it to soak for days in the stuff. If washing up liquid is so corrosive to metal, how come all my cutlery and pans, whether its made from, stainless steel, steel or aluminium etc has never corroded away in the washing up bowl, especcially when it can be left for long periods of days. I even have an all metal butter knife, my first real knife when I was a child to eat my meals with still in use, how many gallons of washing up liquid has it seen over the past 50+ years and its still in perfect condition.

And even if you use it to clean the frame, it only needs a squirt or two in a bucket of water which dilutes the salt content to almost nothing.
 
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bpsmith

Veteran
Ok, this is getting out of hand now. My initial post was more about the painted frame going milky if left unprotected after fairy liquid. This is based on seeing the effect of other people using it on their car paint.

It's my experience, so thought I would share it. You guys have different experience, which is equally valid. Good balanced posts either way are great. I am pulling out of this thread for the OP to decide and to let others have a fair chance too.
 

screenman

Legendary Member
Car paint used to go milky on its own, even more so in reds. That is until they started using laquer over the top. It has nothing to do with fairy but more to do with UV.
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
Mr Sheen original. The stuff is magic.
 

bpsmith

Veteran
Car paint used to go milky on its own, even more so in reds. That is until they started using laquer over the top. It has nothing to do with fairy but more to do with UV.
Correct! Fairy liquid did it's job and cleaned every last bit of protection off the paint and left it wide open for the UV to do its thing. If Waxed or Sealed then it wouldn't have done so. My point throughout I believe.
 

screenman

Legendary Member
Correct! Fairy liquid did it's job and cleaned every last bit of protection off the paint and left it wide open for the UV to do its thing. If Waxed or Sealed then it wouldn't have done so. My point throughout I believe.

Are you a car painter? I was and used to teach it as well. You would have had to use a wax or sealant with a built in UV inhibitor to protect the older style base coats. Even then the weather was against you, with today's twin pack lacquer a protective coating in the way of wax etc. Is not so necessary.
 
Location
Pontefract
Salt can effect unprotected metals and alloys, how many parts of a bike are unprotected?
What about winter, think there may well be more salt around than in Fairy my Sora kit came through the last two winters unscathed, my frame is chipped to hell with all the lose stones on the roads and I ride with mudguards,
 

screenman

Legendary Member
What about winter, think there may well be more salt around than in Fairy my Sora kit came through the last two winters unscathed, my frame is chipped to hell with all the lose stones on the roads and I ride with mudguards,

Completely agree, which is why I have no problem using a small amount of washing up liquid if I have nothing else to use when washing the bike.
 
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