£300 set budget for a new bike - suggestions?

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vickster

Squire
How do we tell if a bike is stolen or if it is a legit used bike for sale?

Ask lots of questions if the seller about the bike like the frame number, history etc… if they get shifty or arsy walk away, ditto if they won’t let you come to their house/registered business and want to meet in a car park or whatever. trust yout gut
To be honest I reckon this guy is openly selling lots of decent bikes with good pictures and details, he’s been on gumtree for years, he’s not flogging at a boot sale or in an urban area with high bike theft.
 

vickster

Squire
Zero skills but I can learn with DIY YouTube videos. Concern being if I damage something whilst doing any.

I just pay the trusted local bike shop to do the maintenance. Unless you’re commuting in all weathers, leaving it out etc, bikes really don’t need that much maintenance. Just learn how to remove the wheels and fix a puncture (even those don’t happen that much unless very unlucky)
 
Zero skills but I can learn with DIY YouTube videos. Concern being if I damage something whilst doing any.

We all had to start somewhere. :smile: And unless you're looking at hydraulic brakes or electronic shifting, a bicycle is made up of parts that use basic mechanical principles. Things may look complicated, but usually they end up being more straightforward.

There's always good guidance to be had on here. Failing that, the Park Tools website has some excellent tutorials, as has www.sheldonbrown.com - the latter, despite the site being a bit old, gives you a real shedload of good, sound and basic advice.

Some of the best things I've learned when it comes to working on my bikes are to take photos as you dismantle stuff, and then you have an instant guide for reinstallation. To use those plastic trays from blueberries or mushrooms etc to lay out all the bits you take off - first you can see what you have, and secondly you are far less likely to lose any. For components containing small parts or springs, if you can, dismantle inside / over a plastic bag as there's far fewer chances of sproings and pingfeckits. And lastly, cats and bar tape do not mix. DAMHIKT :laugh:
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
use those plastic trays from blueberries or mushrooms etc to lay out all the bits you take off - first you can see what you have, and secondly you are far less likely to lose any.
But beware: I remember working on a bike once, cleaning up bits with white spirit or similar, and putting the bits into something that came to hand, yoghurt pots I think. Anyway I picked up a pot of ball bearings and the bottom fell out. Bearings all over the floor. The cleaning stuff had dissolved the pot.
 
But beware: I remember working on a bike once, cleaning up bits with white spirit or similar, and putting the bits into something that came to hand, yoghurt pots I think. Anyway I picked up a pot of ball bearings and the bottom fell out. Bearings all over the floor. The cleaning stuff had dissolved the pot.

Whoops! A glass jam jar is the best receptacle in those instances.

P.S. I'm trying not to laugh! :blush:
 
The limba from my experience is a heavy old bike.

One bike I would buy at £300 would be a Boardman cx. It has a lightweight butted frame disk brakes etc. Clean second hand ones can had for £300.

The Limba is a heavier bike but then its got 'never fail' steel forks and is generally much stronger with higher weight limits than Decathlon bikes for example. It's a much more abusable bike suitable for a beginner. What I don't like it about though is the mechanical disc brakes, they look to be single piston which I'm not a fan of, they do their job but you have to keep adjusting the fixed pad which can be annoying but this is the same for most budget bikes with disc brakes. You can get semi-hydraulic disc brake mechanisms from Aliexpress relatively cheaply though to replace them. However I do think the Limba is a great option overall for its price point in today's market for new bikes.

300 pounds was probably a reasonable price point 3 years ago but really the entry level decent bikes now with reasonable components including a freehub drivetrain are probably more around 400-500 with the occasional offer below it. I remember getting a Vertigo Carnaby from Tesco online for 62 pounds I think it was.

Also bear in mind Decathlon go very cheap on their entry level frames nowadays and don't even have removable gear handers so once you've fallen off you bike a few times and bent the derailleur hanger it will get weak and could break off. Something perfectly acceptable I guess on a steel road bike which is much denser and stronger but certainly not ideal for an aluminium frame. They seem to have followed Walmarts example of cheapness.

decathlon frame.PNG
 

N0bodyOfTheGoat

Senior Member
Location
Hampshire, UK
https://www.halfords.com/bikes/hybrid-bikes/voodoo-marasa-mens-hybrid-bike---l-frames-452902.html

Is the newer version of my Marasa bought in summer '20 for commuting, when I somehow sheared the drive side crank on my Voodoo Wazoo fatbike after just over four years.

The Marasa has been the general cycling goto bike at the budget end for at least ten years, usually decent components/build and I've only known it as having hydraulic disc brakes. The newer version is 2x9 (30/46 chainrings with 11-36 cassette), whereas mine is 3x9 (26/36/48 I think with 12-36 cassette) and weights ~12.5Kg as it came from the store. After five years, all I've changed is the rear derailleur cable; cassette; chain; tyres; tubes.

It's £350 in their current sale, the rrp and sale price is a little more than five years ago, Halfords accept a few different membership discounts including 10% off bikes with British Cycling.

Only large left in some stores, maybe they are bringing out a newer model, should be fine if you have typical torso for someone 5'10" and arms longer than those of a T Rex.
 
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infinityleague

Regular
Location
London
https://www.halfords.com/bikes/hybrid-bikes/voodoo-marasa-mens-hybrid-bike---l-frames-452902.html

Is the newer version of my Marasa bought in summer '20 for commuting, when I somehow sheared the drive side crank on my Voodoo Wazoo fatbike after just over four years.

The Marasa has been the general cycling goto bike at the budget end for at least ten years, usually decent components/build and I've only known it as having hydraulic disc brakes. The newer version is 2x9 (30/46 chainrings with 11-36 cassette), whereas mine is 3x9 (26/36/48 I think with 12-36 cassette) and weights ~12.5Kg as it came from the store. After five years, all I've changed is the rear derailleur cable; cassette; chain; tyres; tubes.

It's £350 in their current sale, the rrp and sale price is a little more than five years ago, Halfords accept a few different membership discounts including 10% off bikes with British Cycling.

Only large left in some stores, maybe they are bringing out a newer model, should be fine if you have typical torso for someone 5'10" and arms longer than those of a T Rex.

I liked this bike & have enquired with Halfords. They have the L size and mentioned it would be big for me as politely as she could.
 
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infinityleague

Regular
Location
London
Update from yesterday :

Been visiting as many local shops as I can and despite repeated protests they keep showing me bikes that are way out of my budget or a bike that‘s so bad I have to look at the expensive ones. I don’t want them to think I’m being rude by saying NO without even trying.

so, yesterday, they made me try the £721 MARIN GESTALT (better than the Van Rysel I tried the other day at Decathlon).

Actually, I did find a build your bike near Pitsea. All I know is that I need a M frame & mechanical disc brakes (hydraulic brakes if possible in my budget).

No idea about the type of cassette, gears and drive train that I need. Decent ground clearance. The build it guy looked at me like a fool (probably realised I know zilch) and said, have a look around & let me know. I felt so silly not knowing the basics (I did tell him I just like to cycle and go on long rides involving some steep climbing).

How do I avoid this situation ?

PS : Feel silly asking here but I rather be silly in here ( at least no one is judging me).
 
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Jameshow

Guru
Update from yesterday :

Been visiting as many local shops as I can and despite repeated protests they keep showing me bikes that are way out of my budget or a bike that‘s so bad I have to look at the expensive ones. I don’t want them to think I’m being rude by saying NO without even trying.

so, yesterday, they made me try the £721 MARIN GESTALT (better than the Van Rysel I tried the other day at Decathlon).

Actually, I did find a build your bike near Pitsea. All I know is that I need a M frame & mechanical disc brakes (hydraulic brakes if possible in my budget).

No idea about the type of cassette, gears and drive train that I need. Decent ground clearance. The build it guy looked at me like a fool (probably realised I know zilch) and said, have a look around & let me know. I felt so silly not knowing the basics (I did tell him I just like to cycle and go on long rides involving some steep climbing).

How do I avoid this situation ?

PS : Feel silly asking here but I rather be silly in here ( at least no one is judging me).

You want a 1-1 cassette chain set so 34-34 or similar.


This will give you good hill climbing ability.
 

AndyRM

XOXO
Location
North Shields
Update from yesterday :

Been visiting as many local shops as I can and despite repeated protests they keep showing me bikes that are way out of my budget or a bike that‘s so bad I have to look at the expensive ones. I don’t want them to think I’m being rude by saying NO without even trying.

so, yesterday, they made me try the £721 MARIN GESTALT (better than the Van Rysel I tried the other day at Decathlon).

Actually, I did find a build your bike near Pitsea. All I know is that I need a M frame & mechanical disc brakes (hydraulic brakes if possible in my budget).

No idea about the type of cassette, gears and drive train that I need. Decent ground clearance. The build it guy looked at me like a fool (probably realised I know zilch) and said, have a look around & let me know. I felt so silly not knowing the basics (I did tell him I just like to cycle and go on long rides involving some steep climbing).

How do I avoid this situation ?

PS : Feel silly asking here but I rather be silly in here ( at least no one is judging me).

Honestly? If anyone is trying to push a bike on you that you don't want/is stupidly out of your price range, or making you feel daft for asking perfectly legitimate questions they don't deserve your money, regardless of how much you're spending.

It's really poor form and unfortunately common, kind of like car mechanics who assume that women know nothing about cars. The last time we took ours for a service the guy spent ages rabbiting all kinds of stuff about torques and manifolds at me, purely because I'd said I liked the old school Rally B posters on the wall; my good lady found this funny at first before getting exasperated and saying,

"He knows f*ck all pal, he just likes how they look and thinks putting a stupidly big engine in a tiny car is funny. You should hear his nonsense about how to improve Formula 1 using bees."

They didn't get our custom.

It's not really an avoidable situation, but if you're being clear with them and they're still being daft just walk away.

Right now I'm still thinking that Carrera Subway is a good bet for you.
 

freiston

Veteran
Location
Coventry
No idea about the type of cassette, gears and drive train that I need. Decent ground clearance. The build it guy looked at me like a fool (probably realised I know zilch) and said, have a look around & let me know. I felt so silly not knowing the basics (I did tell him I just like to cycle and go on long rides involving some steep climbing).

How do I avoid this situation ?

PS : Feel silly asking here but I rather be silly in here ( at least no one is judging me).

Some people like the simplicity of a "1x" - single chainring at the front and only a derailleur at the rear, but unless you go for a big number of sprockets on the cassette (I'd say more than 10), then if you have a large range of gears (low to high), you get bigger steps between gears - or you have a smaller range and smaller steps. But when you go for big numbers of sprockets on the cassette, the price goes up.

As time has gone by, sprockets on cassettes have gone smaller at the high end and bigger at the low end, and the number of sprockets has gone - doubled - so nowadays it is easier to find a wide range cassette with smaller steps. In the past, if you wanted a wide range with reasonable steps between gears, you had to go for a "3x" (three chainwheels at the front and a front derailleur to shift the chain).

Gear ratios are usually expressed in "gear inches" - basically the diameter of the wheel of a direct drive to achieve the same rate of progression as the gear. This has an historical context - Penny Farthing bikes were sold by front (direct drive) wheel diameter and when the safety bicycle was invented, people wanted to know what the gear was equivalent to in a penny farthing. It is worth becoming familiar with gear inches - it makes it easier to discuss gears.

There is debate and personal preference as to what the sweet spot is for range, increment and cost. Personally, I think that a 2x9 might be your sweet spot.

To get a better understanding of gearing choices, take a look at this website. The link gives two bikes - the top one is the Voodoo Marasa linked to in a previous post and the bottom one is my drop bar touring bike. You can change the labels, the pedal cadence, tyre size, slide the cogs up and down the scales etc and see the results of different gearing set-ups.

For what it's worth, I like low gears and wouldn't like to go much higher than 24" for a bottom gear and I prefer a lot less - my usual bike has a bottom gear of 19". I also don't make use of high gears and I rarely go above about 85". A 100" gear with a pedal cadence of 90rpm will give you a speed of about 27mph (you can get this information from the website I linked to). Going downhill, you waste energy pedalling hell for leather and are better off tucking in to reduce air resistance and not pedalling, if you're not a racer. On the hills of north Warwickshire, I usually reach over 30mph without pedalling.

Most people when choosing a drivetrain, go for Shimano or Shimano compatible. Be aware that anything above 9spd will have different cable pull requirements for gear shifting, and road systems can differ from MTB/hybrid systems - so it's not a case of anything Shimano is always compatible.
 
Honestly? If anyone is trying to push a bike on you that you don't want/is stupidly out of your price range, or making you feel daft for asking perfectly legitimate questions they don't deserve your money, regardless of how much you're spending.

It's really poor form and unfortunately common, kind of like car mechanics who assume that women know nothing about cars.

Hah! Tell me about it! My local garage and the local agricultural engineering place where I get chain saw and mower consumables are well used to me, thank goodness. And my LBS has a lady mechanic.
 
TBH, I think the OP's best bet is to go to a bicycle recycling place and get something from there. There's lists and recommendations in the "General Cycling Chat" section of the forum.

There'll be good bang-for-buck, and no one will try pushing something that's way out of budget. Likely you won't get anything fancy, but you'll end up with a decent bike that does the job.

And to the OP - frame sizing is only a *guide* as to what size bike you need. Everyone's anatomy is different, so don't always take the salesperson's word as to whether a bike will fit or not. Chances are they're only going by the chart they've been given rather than your particular measurements. As I mentioned upthread, the two basic tests you do in order to see if a bicycle fits is:

a) Stand over the thing. If you've a good inch clearance between the crown jewels and the top bar, the frame is in the right ball park (see what I did there?) and...

b) Put your funny bone against the nose of the saddle and your fingers on the headset (the bit that holds the top of the forks to the stem). If your middle finger reaches the middle of the headset, then the bike has the right reach for you.

If A and B both apply, then the bike will fit you.
 
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